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Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 11:14am.
Well, the pro-lifers have descended upon the bastion of freedom, Planned Parenthood. According to their website, they will be there non-stop for the next 40 days. We'll see if they have the resolve to follow through with that, I'll be checking on them late at night.
» There are many ideas for responses floating around in the ether and I like all of them. My favorites: People should contact Planned Parenthood and ask what kind of help they need during this time. People should also rally for counter protests or outrageous-over-the-top solidarity protests. One other idea I had this morning was launching a phone in to city hall reporting the violation of the Pedestrian Interference Ordinance. These anti-freedom radicals are putting chairs in the six foot zone of the sidewalk, and with the narrow sidewalks in that portion of town, they blatantly violating the law. This is the city's chance to prove to us that they didn't just pass it to target our houseless neighbors.
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Even though I don't agree, I
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 11:29am.That sounds like you (not you personally, the all-encompassing You) are incapable of going point-counterpoint, are incapable of "agreeing to disagree", and just want to cause problems. For example, what exactly would Pro-Masturbation signs or pictures of hardcore porn (suggested elsewhere) have to do with supporting a woman's right to choose?
I'm curious to see if the city will send the cops in to clear the sidewalks.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
I think the porn was to see
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 12:44pm.I use porn scarecrows in my
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 12:54pm.I use porn scarecrows in my garden. What else would one use?
*I am that person who doesn't throw out rotting things because they're scary and who kills wasps by spraying things on them and screaming.*
Me too. But it doesn't work
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:30pm.I am SO sorry I started all
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:34pm.It works best if you have
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 3:37pm.It works best if you have more than one porncrow....your Ron Jeremy model needs backup.
*I am that person who doesn't throw out rotting things because they're scary and who kills wasps by spraying things on them and screaming.*
Isn't a porncrow where you
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 3:46pm.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Well
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 4:18pm.*I am that person who
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 5:02pm.Am I grossing you out?
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 8:53am.My comment was eaten.
Submitted by OperaGirl on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 10:17am.My comment was eaten. Weirdness.
*I am that person who doesn't throw out rotting things because they're scary and who kills wasps by spraying things on them and screaming.*
When I drove by this
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 12:28pm.When I drove by this morning I was thankful that there were no dead baby signs. I really hope they don't harass people going into the building.
I am also curious about the sidewalk thing. We'll see...
*I am that person who doesn't throw out rotting things because they're scary and who kills wasps by spraying things on them and screaming.*
Those of you that are
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 12:56pm.I don't know where Planned
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:00pm.Yes
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:08pm.Does that same ordinace apply to counter protesters as well?
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:10pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Of course it does.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:16pm.Oh no. Not at all.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:28pm.Sometimes I get a moonbat
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:37pm.Well,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:27pm.I'm interested to see what the city's response will be. I have a feeling they will say that the protest is protected and will not do anything.
I should have said more -
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:38pm.I should have said more - but I'm working here folks!
Whatever action the city takes they will have to apply equally, that's all.
Make a donation to Planned Parenthood
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:25pm.http://thurstonblog.blogspot.com/
Yes, and
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 1:38pm.I don't get abortion...
Submitted by xavier on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 10:51pm.Really??
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 10:53pm.Really??
xavier
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 6:43am.I don't get why the anti-abortion crowd didn't exist until abortion became safe and legal. Women died and were mutilated for years dealing with the dilema of an unwanted pregnancy (yes, human beings have more of a choice mechanism than other animals. By the way, have you ever seen a cat kill her litter? I watched a mother duck leave her ducklings, to protect herself this spring, and allow an eagle to have a buffet for breakfast). Yet, people speaking out against abortion only became vogue when it became safe and legal.
What makes sense to me is understanding that not all of us have the same choices everyday.
By the way, what is your take on the War in Iraq? Do you think war is mean? Do you think that veterans that fight in these wars don't bear their scars, physical and emotional, for the rest of their lives?
I don't want to start a fight either. I want to have open dialog on this subject.
http://thurstonblog.blogspot.com/
I'm hoping to keep away from
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 8:01am.So I'll focus solely on the "in vogue" question. It wasn't just abortion that people were suddenly talking about, either for or against. It was practically anything that could be remotely linked to sex or sexuality. None of it was talked about or discussed, sex was shameful, even married couples were portrayed in separate beds. Unplanned pregnancies were hidden, the mother ostracized. Rapes were kept quiet, if anything was done it was "Family Business". Even adoption had a stigma.
You ended up with situations like Jack Nicholson, Ted Bundy, and someone I went to school with who grew up believing their mother was their sister, and their grandma was their mother.
As for Pro-Life activists not getting vocal until Roe vs. Wade, my guess is that most of the early guard were in denial that the law could ever be passed in the first place.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
uh, because it was illegal
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 8:46am.Norm
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:32am.Do you think illegal abortions didn't happen? Of course they did. Women died, were mangled and rich little girls got theirs done by doctors outside the United States with a hush hush. Legal and safe abortion made the same procedure available to all women, regardless of affluence.
I never saw a bunch of protestors at an airport making sure that everyone knew that someone might be hopping a flight because they had the means to do so.
Abortion is as old as prostitution in terms of the existance based on need. Availability is the issue that changed with Roe V. Wade.
http://thurstonblog.blogspot.com/
Of course I think they
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:09pm.Of course I think they happend, I've seen a few lifetime movies in my short time on Earth. That doesn't change the fact that there was no need to protest them because they were illegal. I'm sure if someone came across a doctor they thought were performing abortions they simply called the police. Why would they need to stand outside the doctors office protesting them if they can just get them arrested?
I am addressing your one statement Larry, that's it.
I don't get why the anti-abortion crowd didn't exist until abortion became safe and legal.
Above, is my guess as to why.
I guess you're missing the irony
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:03pm.Abortion is, has and always will go on, regardless of the law. What appears to be protested is that someone made it legal and equal for all.
http://thurstonblog.blogspot.com/
Much as I'm sure there'd be
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:56pm.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
yes, war is mean
Submitted by xavier on Fri, 09/28/2007 - 10:11pm.What do you think about...
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 10:48am....the fact that 1/3 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage (spontaneous abortion)? Does this number of "unborn babies" trouble you at all?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Isn't that beyond anyone's
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 10:51am.It's a question...
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:08am....about how the human reproductive system works, not about protesting. I'm wondering if "babies" lost through miscarriage are considered differently. I'm sure OG is right about "God's will." But, what makes it OK for God to abort fetuses, but not pregnant women? Presumably, God has a purpose. Women also have reasons for terminating a pregnancy. Why is it wrong for women?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
My Grandma had more than one
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:17pm.My Grandma had more than one miscarriage, they always had a little funeral when it happend.
Human vs. divine Rick, that's my guess here.
If God allows (not my word of choice) a person to die in a car accident we mourn the loss of life and have no place to put the blame.
If a person is driving drunk and slams into the person and they die, we mourn the loss of life but have someone to blame. The death was caused by someone who can pay restitution or be punished for harming another.
Woman miscarries = nobody to blame, except in certain circumstances. Blame God if you want but it won't get you anywhere. The death could not be stopped.
Woman aborts = the woman could be blamed. The death could possibly ( as stated earlier about the number of miscarriages, there are no guarantees ) have been prevented. She could have cared for the child, and if not possibly given the child to a family who couldn't conceive.
yeah butt
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:20pm.Depends on how you view God
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:22pm.Depends on how you view God vs free will.
Is it God's will that you have a miscarriage?
Is it your intervention in God's plan when you have an abortion?
Were you meant to have the abortion by God's design?
that's the problem
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:30pm.The problem is deeper than
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:32pm.The problem is deeper than that Rob. You are trying to disect (sp?) someones faith, their belief system. Where you see a huge unknown, others see an omnipotent being that they fear/love/whatever. As far as Christians are concerned, you can have both, and everything.
You can't always apply logic to that....it's just faith.
ha
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:48pm.That made me laugh. I don't know why.
Oh, and I don't see a huge unknown, I'm atheist, not agnostic.
The problem is that logic can't be applied to it. Religion allows people to get away with making no sense. I can be Christian and against abortion yet pro-death penalty, pro-war but anti-murder, on and on. It makes no sense, and it never will. In my opinion, the sooner the current major religions die out, the better. My only fear is that something else will take their place, capitalism has already started trying to do that.
Oh Rob
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:51pm.LOL
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:04pm.I believe that is looked at
Submitted by OperaGirl on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 10:52am.I believe that is looked at as being "God's will".
*I am that person who doesn't throw out rotting things because they're scary and who kills wasps by spraying things on them and screaming.*
Evil is a point of view...We
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:28am.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
There is nothing admirable
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 11:36am.I was present at the pro PPWW last Friday
Submitted by Nanci on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:43pm.thanks Nanci
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:52pm.Feel free to send me a private message and let me know how to help with that, and who I should contact.
Thanks for your work.
LOL
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:06pm.Egged her on until she punched the sign? Give me a break. I don't like the signs either, but I'm not going to stop and feed the circus animals. Sounds like the woman was either a little slow, or likes confrontation. Either way, is punching a sign in anger a good thing to show your 4y/o? I'm thinking both sides need to grow up.
What's wrong with just letting them do their little protest?
Nothing
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 1:22pm.So what do you think Rob,
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:47pm.So what do you think Rob, good for a 4y/o to see their parent lose it an punch a sign because she's mad at a protestor?
Hold the counter protest, I think it's great, like I said I'm a breath away from going down to watch the event(s). Please don't punch each other's signs...or each other.
Why'd she punch the sign, I
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:13pm.If it was limited to the early stages where we're dealing with a mere clump of cells you wouldn't see so much passion, but these people want the law to say that a full-term child can be rearranged, pulled out feet first, and have the still buried head stabbed, the brains scrambled and vacuumed. Too graphic? Too over the top with the description? Just give it a neutral medical name, keep it behind a curtain, and everything's all right.
With that logic then it should be alright that the White House wants secret courts and secret prisons.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Yeah, as long as we stick
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 2:07pm.I suppose television news should never have shown the maimed burnt bodies of Vietnamese civilians, or the mutilated thousands in Africa or Serbia. Too upsetting, and it might persuade some people who currently think otherwise that War isn't a good thing. Someone else mentioned the images of Jews during the Holocaust.
But kill the kids as long as it makes us feel better. Gotta love humanity.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Oaky,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 12:44pm.Good Idea, I'll give it a
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:05pm.Abortion should be legal because what about fetus' that will develop genetic abnormalities? The poor child would live a very short life full of nothing but pain. The child would have mental retardation and probably not be aware of anything but the pain.
Abortion should be legal because sometimes the kids are born into terrible homes. They start out disadvantaged, their lives are nothing but misery, they're neglected, beaten, and when they grow up they become part of the viscious circle.
Come to think of it, abortion doesn't go far enough. All these people say they care about sparing the child from a potential future of agony, but they do nothing about the children who are in the situation. So what if the child's been born, if they're suffering from a debilitating genetic dysfunction they should be euthanized for their own peace. Same with kids who have it hard on the wrong side of the tracks. It will bring some relief to the parents and spare the child a lifetime of disappointment.
As long as there's no pictures it'll be the right thing to do.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Sorry
Submitted by DC on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:07pm.Ready for convincing?
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:10pm.Screw all of this pregnancy crap. EVERYONE should be sterilized at birth. WHEN/IF they prove that they are mentally stable, financially ready, have a high enough intellect level and have the capacity to at least HANDLE the parenting gig, THEN they can be UNsterilized and procreate.
How's that one for ya?
Just like some women are
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:32pm.I'm not even making that up.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
I read a CNN article about
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 4:10pm.Oh you misunderstand me
Submitted by DC on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 4:18pm.I know
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 4:27pm.Now you're starting...
Submitted by Pro-life Catholic on Tue, 10/02/2007 - 9:27pm.Where have I heard this before?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 10/02/2007 - 11:10pm.Unfortunately Merwyn
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:16pm.genetic abnormalities are one of the reasons some women do choose to abort. Couples or single moms don't feel they can afford to care for a genetically abnormal child physically, financially.
As I stated in another post (http://www.olyblog.net/planned-parentood-support), abortion should be legal because sometimes the kids are born into terrible homes. They start out disadvantaged, their lives are nothing but misery, they're neglected, beaten, and not when but IF they grow up they become part of the viscious circle.
You worded it better than I did in my other post when you said Come to think of it, abortion doesn't go far enough. All these people say they care about sparing the child from a potential future of agony, but they do nothing about the children who are in the situation.
There are positive sides & good arguments to abortion whether an individual likes it or not.
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
Referencing the last two
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 3:37pm.There seems to be two schools of thought for doing something about that problem. (I'm ignoring the third "do nothing" group)
One group wants to try to educate, bring social aid, fund, donate, volunteer, locally or globally, each to their ability. The other group wants to terminate.
There are people who've overcome the obstacles of their upbringing. Also, whenever I see the Special Olympics the one thought that never crosses my mind is "these kids were burdens."
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
YES!!!
Submitted by Pro-life Catholic on Tue, 10/02/2007 - 8:42pm.Merwyn! That's What Makes You A Special Person!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 4:54pm.You see special olympics kids and realize they're not burdens! Some people see them and wonder how their parents kept them! Many moons ago, kids with downs syndrome, looked or acted differently or had special needs were institutionalized! Bing Crosby's son was & is currently institutionalized here locally because he was mentally retarded and his family never spoke of him.
When I was pregnant with my 2nd daughter 18 years ago, I had to have an amniocentisis and was told she had a kidney abnormality and "counseled" on my "options". I was not encouraged to consider adoption or abortion because of my age (24 & happily married at the time) and income level. I looked that lady square in the eye and told her I didn't care if my baby was born inside out, just tell me if it was a boy or a girl!
My 3rd and last child was born 16 yrs. ago on the 10th of October with Cystic Fibrosis, a terminal lung disease. She was diagnosed when she was 5 weeks old and is currently being considered for a lung transplant that won't cure her but maybe expand her life by maybe 5 more years. When people find out about her medical condition their whole demeanor changes to one of "poor you, how do you do it?" or "I couldn't do it if I were in your shoes". You know what? This little girl has taught me more about love, compassion and understanding than anybody or anything else in life could. I believe I was blessed with her for a reason! If I didn't have her to take care of, I'd have to wonder what my purose in life really was. My daughter only told 2 or 3 close friends of her disease because she wanted people to like her for her, not her disease! When she started high school last year, she spent more time in the hospital than she was able to spend at school and kids started wondering why she was gone for 3 & 4 weeks at at time and she finally broke down and told everyone about her disease. Most who teased her relentlessly for her excessive coughing (some even hoping she'd hurry up & die from coughing so much or refused to be near here out of fear they could catch whatever she had) have yet to be able to look her in the eye or befriend her, others opened their arms & hearts to her! There's just all different types of people who will always see situations in many different variances! Some people see the beauty in others, some only see the things that make them different!
You & I look for the beauty in others!
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
They hate us for our freedoms.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 6:42pm.This moral argument stuff is getting us nowhere, like a game of tug-o-war between identical twins. How about instead of trying to prove the other side is wrong morally, we focus on how you would convince a court, like the Supreme Court. That might get us somewhere we haven't been yet in our brains.
I'm so tired of this icky moral condemnation crap.
over the top reactionaryism
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 10/02/2007 - 11:43pm.I think a confrontation is appropriate, and certainly a response is appropriate. But to react and behave in a manner that is hateful or hurtful is simply destructive. I can't support that. I support constructive / creative responses. Dialogue, etc.