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Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 8:48am.
African American Pastor Angry with the challenges society has placed upon his people. Speaks out against American Foreign policy Becomes media target and political target Finally, becomes a real target, 40 years ago today. Names change, but situations sometimes remain. In Olympia, Tumwater, Lacey, Thurston County and all over the United States, take a moment and reflect. Then don't stop thinking. We, the people, control our destiny. Will it be anger and violence or peace and harmony. It's up to us.
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Submitted by security_six on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 10:28am.I don't think race had anything to do with the person I believe you are refering to, but rather statements that many americans would not want to hear from their religious leaders. Personally I don't like the man and his skin color has nothing to do with it. But playing the race card has often served as an attempt to "get out of jail free"
So much for "dreams"
"Those who fail an attempt destroy me have made a serious tactical error."Huh?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 10:44am.I read it to be a
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 10:47am.An odd comparison between Obama's pastor and King...
"Those who fail an attempt destroy me have made a serious tactical error."Next...
Submitted by Rick on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 10:58am....you'll be claiming that racism doesn't exist in America. In my view, black folk have plenty of reasons to be good and pissed.
A lot of people know about Dr. King, but they don't know much about the kinds of oppression that he fought. If people had a better understanding of the institutional racism that Dr. King worked so hard against, they wouldn't be so surprised by Rev. Wright's words.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Racism does exist in America
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:36pm.Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I have been a victim of it, and seen it directed towards people of color many times.
Some of what the Reverend Wright has said seems merely to inflame racial tensions and are to me innacurate.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
What on earth did 9-11 have to do with white/black controversy? It was the act of radical extremists using religion as an excuse to wage their war of terror.
Comparing Rev. Wright to Rev. King.
Reverend King was a peaceful man who taught a message of peace. Reverend Wright seems to preach a message of anger and hatred. Rather an unify, he seems to attempt to break apart. Reverend King had a dream. Reverend Wright would destroy that.
"Those who fail an attempt destroy me have made a serious tactical error."I think we are mostly all in agreement about Dr. King
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 04/06/2008 - 12:02pm.these days. Even John McCain might be willing to vote a holiday in memory of Dr. King today
That was not the case while Dr King was alive. Coming late to an appreciation of Dr King's work and words does not make a person enlightened.
After Dr King's "time to break silence" speech on Vietnam, he was vilified by the mainstream press.
You ask "what on earth did 9-11 have to do with white/black controversy?" It's a good question. It appears from Rev Wright's comments that he thought there was some connection between the 9-11 attack and the issues of people of color.
I think your answer that 9-11 can be simply explained as the action of radical religious extremists is too simplistic. I think that element is there, but so is much more about the controversy of power and privilege, the disparity of wealth and basic human rights around the planet, the exploitation of the third world for the benefit of the first world is also there.
In that sense, for better or worse, the Twin Towers appeared to have been a symbol of secular injustice, of greedy exploitation to a number of people on the planet. Ignoring those facts is politically correct as Bill Maher can tell you, but it is may not be wise.
If we were to ask Rev Wright to speak more about his thoughts on 9-11 and our questions to Rev Wright were real and not rhetorical, we might know more about his thoughts.
Ah, I see.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 11:00am.Considering the fact that 1 in 9 young black men are
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 1:31pm.I think I am
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 1:34pm.Just going to stay out of this conversation now. Probably best for all...
"Those who fail an attempt destroy me have made a serious tactical error."I think you should check your facts.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 2:09pm.Perhaps a difference between...
Submitted by Rick on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 2:14pm....census counts (at a particular point in time), and other survey data (have you ever been incarcerated at some point in your life?)?
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
;-)
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 2:36pm.I guess I'm way off on this.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 2:51pm.Trauma and Recovery
Submitted by Chia on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 1:40pm.Telling one's story is part of recovery from trauma. A story filled with violence is also likely to be filled with anger, if not rage. It's normal.
Anger can be healthy in that it establishes boundaries and also provides energy for action. I wish there was more appreciation for this maligned emotion.
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
audio
"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
I think this should have a hyperlocal warning attached to it.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 2:17pm.Great
Submitted by DJW on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 3:29pm.Mr. Richards and I finally agree on something. (Sarcasm)
Larry,
I think this topic is a can of worms.
Opinions vary, Rob
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 4:12pm.I find the subject of Martin Luther King's death and all of it's implications to be very hyperlocal.
We can't afford to bury our heads in the sands of Mud Bay because we fear a little controversy.
If you feel the need to tag or delete this post, I'll understand perfectly.
Not opinion, in my opinion.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 5:36pm.Neither MLK or Rev Wright have a local connection, and I feel you haven't done good enough at relating this back to Olympia.
Has there been an event recently in Olympia that reminded you MLK? Maybe you could edit your piece and talk about that, then there would be a local connection and we could discuss that. As it is, I feel like it's just a few provocative sentences with no local connection.
A shocking day
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 6:50pm.I agree with Rob and elsewhere I had a civil conversation with Rick :-) I keep looking for the sky to fall... :-p
"Those who fail an attempt destroy me have made a serious tactical error."Oh come on
Submitted by DJW on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 8:36pm.I'm sure Rob was just 'playing around'........
A recent tally
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 4:14pm.will demonstrate that I'm not posting much, anymore. I don't intend on being bullied into a corner and patronized about Freedom of Speech, especially on this subject.
One must do what one must do.
Consistency
Submitted by DJW on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 4:37pm.That's what you gotta love about ya Larry! (LOL)
After much reflection and thought, I'm going to jump into this debate and give an opinion for what it's worth.
Rev Wright.... Interesting guy. I could care less what he said as his opinion means nothing to me nor do I put much faith in him. The fact that the extreme 'right' are falling over themselves trying to make this an issue is about as intelligent as the 'left' making a big deal over the stupid statements Bush makes. As far as I'm concerned if the message is clear then why try and play stupid?
More on Wright.... Has anyone else thought that this was nothing more than a well thought out political and financial ploy? Obama gets some press and gets to play the 'good guy' by running awary from Wright, while still keeping him close. Wright..... Has a long career, nearing retirement age, makes some statements that he has to know will cause a stir, retires and gets the congregation to 'build' him a beautiful (green? not!) home. Seriously, who wouldn't cause a national debate and have your 15 minutes of fame and then ride gently into the sunset to your 7500+ sq ft home?
Rev King..... Stood up for something that should be a right. Do I agree with some of his behind the scenes activities, no, but I applaud the stance he took.
I'll hyperlocal this one
Submitted by stevenl on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 8:46pm.I was around here 40 years ago when Martin Luther King was assassinated. Even though my Dad was a Goldwater Republican and my Mom a Stevenson Democrat, and we lived out on a remote farm in western Thurston County untouched by racial strife, we were aware of the American Apartheid practiced in the Southern States and it made us feel sick. When Rev. King talked, we listened. And he connected.
We still have a long, long way to go. But it is actually somewhat of a tribute to how far we have come that some younger members of OlyBlog don't get the MLK reference made by Larry. The bad part is that perhaps they don't understand the enormous sacrifices made by countless Americans of all ethnic backgrounds to secure basic human rights in the recent history of the United States.
MLK Day isn't just a day off from work. It is a day to reflect on the efforts of one of the greatest Americans in post-WWII American history and the meaning of his struggle. His writings should be required reading in American history classes. But obviously, they are not.
To study the journey of Martin Luther King is to study the journey of our country. He is (notice I did not say "was") a pivotal figure in the recent history of the United States. Greater than any President, Governor, or television personality. He still lives. His cause is still alive. And even 40 years later, much of what he said remains radical. Yet, he was traditionally American. A true patriot.
Now for the hyperlocal part. My Dad and I had gone to the Elma Feed Store to pick up supplies in the '65 wood-bed Chevy pickup 40 years ago today. When we returned to the farm and got out of the truck, my Mother flung open the door of the 3rd-hand trailer we were living in at the time and shouted, "They shot Martin Luther King!"
My Dad, even though a son of the Confederacy, uttered a word that the new rules of OlyBlog will not allow me to type. We knew King was right. We knew he would eventually come to this end (after all, JFK did too, so we started to expect it). And we were grateful we lived in the middle of nowhere.
RFK was murdered a couple months later, and by then we were numb. What the Hell was going on? If you didn't live through 1968, I can't really explain how weird it was. More tragic than any year since. Larry knows.
Good post, Larry. Thanks.
Thank YOU, Steven
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 11:16pm.Here is the kicker.
April 4, 1968 was one day after my 17th birthday. I was coming of age. Viet Nam was cooking. I was already losing friends to the draft and wondering what was next.
After living through the horror of John Kennedy's death, never in a million years would I have expected the death of his brother, which confirmed to me what that handful of African American students in my mostly caucasion school must have felt on April 4th when Martin was murdered. It was the beginning of my consciousness.
There are times when I can't find the words to adequately make myself understood and then there are times when I just plain don't give a damn
As Bob Dylan said "it takes one to know one, she smiled".
Thanks, Steven. It takes one to know one.
Ooh, another Desolation Row reference...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sat, 04/05/2008 - 10:41am....thanks for making it local.
Happy Belated Birthday Larry!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Sun, 04/06/2008 - 9:26am.Hope your day went better than this blog! LOL!
XO!
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Thank you, my love!
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sun, 04/06/2008 - 9:40am.Two doctors appointments and some DEFINITIVE answers about my stroke and subsequent seizures (relatively common post-stroke issue) and I was damned glad to be celebrating 57!
"It's getting better all the time" - not a Dylanism, but I'm sure Yoda will like it.
I think RFK's speech in
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sun, 04/06/2008 - 10:42am.Finally
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 11:19pm.I'll hyperlocal it this way. I lived it. It's not gone. I live in Thurston County.
As we say in journalism -
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Pride
Submitted by einmaleins on Sat, 04/05/2008 - 6:41pm.Link
John Legend signing U2's Pride.
Sorry, for not embedding it...
mathias
[Link embedded by Rick]
I like this guy.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 9:26pm.Good man
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:23pm.Nice video
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 12:46am.Thanks Rob
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:11pm.Could you post the link to that clip?
I love the "fair and balanced" reporting. The reporter was disgustingly biased.
its from youtube
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 12:21am.Thanks Rob.
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:55am.I know lots of people on AOL that need to see this.
Also thanks for the computer skoolin......I feel so ignorant at times.