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Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 4:51pm.
A Big, Giant, Unsustainable, Idiotic Loop I'm no economist. With the exception of one Japanese language course I took while in the Navy living in Japan, I have no college experience. I do know how to read. I do have common sense. The more I learn about how our economy works (or is expected to work), the more completely baffled I become by it. How anyone can defend this system, which seems to be based on false assumptions and a flat out disregard for reality is beyond me. While the news on the economic front grows dimmer and dimmer, defenders of our system grow ever more cynical in regards to talk of recession. The new buzzword among free market capitalists is "economic slowdown", as if we're just hitting a speed bump, and we'll be fine in the coming months. Congress and the president have yet to come up with a stimulus package to "bail out" the economy because they've yet to figure out what will work. Why is this task so difficult? Perhaps they are finally seeing that this system doesn't work in the long run, that their economic advisers are giving them bad advice, and they have no idea exactly how to fix it. From what I've read so far, any stimulus package they throw out at this point would be like applying neosporin to a sucking chest wound. Not enough, not even close. An Associated Press article that was published today focused on gift cards, and their place in the market. According to the article, WalMart is reporting that people are spending their gift cards on groceries and other necessities. Historically, gift cards have been used to buy iPods, DVDs, DVD Players, video games, and other luxury items. This news must have free marketeers shaking in their boots. After a dismal holiday shopping season retailers experienced their worst January in four decades. The idea behind a stimulus package would be to put more money into the hands of consumers so that they then go out and stimulate the economy with that money. This doesn't work if people pay bills with it, or buy groceries. Our consumption of luxuries is what keeps our economy rolling, and we simply can't afford those luxuries anymore. This, in my opinion, highlights a key systemic flaw in our economy. In this system one of the ways most companies, big and small, make a profit is through cheap labor. Whether it's McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru jobs to India, or Starbucks busting unions to avoid paying decent wages and providing benefits, they focus on minimizing payroll. The flaw lies in the fact that the very workforce that is paid low wages for long hours are the same people expected to buy and consume in order to keep the economy rolling. Of course we are in a credit crisis, of course people sign loans without reading the fine print, George Bush told us to keeping shopping, that it was our patriotic duty as Americans to get back at Osama by spending money. Even money we don't have. The frustrating part is that it seems so obvious to me that you can't squeeze people on one end (low pay/long hours) and then expect them to be able to spend money on luxury items. Without amassing debt that is. Always wanting to be good Americans, we got credit cards, and we spent that money because we were assured that happy days, if not here now, would be back soon, and that debt was more profitable than actually spending money you have in your pocket. How long did economists really think this could last? It seems we are being faced with an economic crisis that should challenge how we think about our economy, our consumption, and the value we put on our lives. If we want to do away with poverty, if we really want to confront environmental issues, and if we truly want peace in our world, then we have to take a fresh new look at how we structure our economy and who reaps the benefits of it.
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I agree it is pretty
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 4:57pm.Screwed up. OTOH, I see that most folks will be getting $600 checks from Uncle Sugar. I for one plan to buy a nice US made gun or two, which will support american workers and machinists. Tempted to get an AK, but about half the parts are imported. :-) So when you get your bribe, errr economic stimulation check consider buying an American made luxury item.
My consumption is pretty dang limited as it is. No room on the boat. A lot of my "luxury" money goes either towards ammo or eating out. Outdoors gear is on the list too, but so much of that is made overseas. Another reason I buy a lot of military surplus. At least it is US made...
One loves to posess arms, though they hope to never have occassion for them.
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington 1796
The hope is that consumers will purchase
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 5:13pm.If the hope is to purchase
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 5:16pm.Durable goods, I would hope that people buy as many US made goods or goods with 50% or more US made parts. I doubt it though. China will benifit from this...
One loves to posess arms, though they hope to never have occassion for them.
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington 1796
China benefits on both ends.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 5:32pm.Oh, I'll just add that the Bush package (ick)
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 5:38pm.Thank you.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 5:18pm.He's right on
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 5:25pm.target...
"But the package, while probably better than nothing, is unlikely to make a noticeable dent in the problem — in part because the insistence of the administration and Senate Republicans on blocking precisely the measures, such as expanded unemployment insurance and food stamps, that are most likely to be effective."
I agree with this 100%
One loves to posess arms, though they hope to never have occassion for them.
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington 1796
Scary
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 6:28pm.I've taken a few college courses, almost all of them involved human/medical/biological science though, a few math/english courses, but no economics. I had a decent CWP teacher in high school that loved delving into economics though, and I retained some of it, and have been interested here and there. In the past 2 or 3 years though my interest has increased and I don't really like what I'm learning. We have a pretty delicate system, and hopefully none of the chips fall too hard or we are screwed.
My rebate? New brakes, savings account, and whatever may be on my credit card(s)
Wow., .mAN
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 9:00pm.this Issz a real buzzxxxlle .
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