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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 1:13pm.
I was standing alongside the roadway holding signs for Cheryl Crist this morning, and I was blown away by the exhaust fumes. It was terrible. Something has to be done to regulate emissions, because it's just not right to have to breathe air like that. This pollution is harmful. I care about my health and the health of others and the environment. Something has to be done.
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until...

...fuel emissions are litigated like second-hand smoke, we have no hope in the US.

I wonder if a community could pass regulations that would go beyond EPA CAFE standards?

 

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Oh come on!!!!

Stand next to a road and you get.... not farts of talcum power and wafts of lavender, you get the byproducts of burning petroleum in internal combustion engines.

If you care about your health don't stand next to a friggin arterial waving signs for a fringe candidate. (Sorry about the marginal candidate dig. I couldn't resist.) That, or buy all those drivers a zero emission vehicle. Or a bus pass. Or...

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Children wait by the road for the bus...

...and they breathe in those same noxious fumes, regardless of what candidate they support. It's ridiculous to suggest that Rob move along as a solution to this problem.
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Yeah Robert,

if you go to the farm yard you smell manure. Sorry Bert, you are too far out on this one.

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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Where shall children wait for the school bus?

My daughter waits by the road, where the bus stop is, breathing in fumes as she waits. Sometimes the bus is pretty late. Where shall children wait for the bus, in a sweet-smelling mountain meadow?
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If You're That Concerned

you're always free to drive them to school yourself. Then there'd be far less buses on the road that use more gas than cars do and put out just as much exhaust as cars do. I've sat behind them waiting for kids to board or get off many times and if my windows are even cracked, the fumes are noxious.

 

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Holy smokes (smog)

If every parent drove thier kid to school, they'd produce conciderably more emmissions than a single bus loaded with kids. Now, if busses are nealr emply, that's a differnt matter.
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Brilliant solution

Parents concerned about air quality should do EXTRA driving. That's just a wonderful idea. Ahem.
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Got A Better More Feasible

solution? At least I came up with something.
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Don't matter

 The world ends tomorrow.

 

 

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More feasible than extra driving?

How about just about any idea? More buses, more frequent buses, fewer cars, tougher emission standards, a monorail, jet packs. Anything makes more sense than advising people to do a little extra driving, in this era of high gas prices and clogged traffic. Furthermore, some people have jobs which get in the way of chauffeuring their children everywhere. And some of the people who don't have jobs can't afford cars and gas. Just about anything makes more sense than your solution. Flying carpets. Genetic engineering to give the next generation wings. Anything.
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Didn't

 Paul McCartney have Wings?  

 

 

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I believe he had a chauffeur as well

Remember "But I got a driver, and that's a start"?
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The space shuttle would be worse.

Or maybe the Exxon Valdez.
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Clean Air

Asking for clean air is completely reasonable.

Farms are generally not public spaces. Roadways, streets and sidewalks are public, and people deserve to breathe uncontaminated and clean air. People should not have to risk their health in order to participate in free speech.

Maybe what we need are voter owned elections, so that candidates who do not have the support of the establishment, including the mega-corporations that have a stranglehold over society, do not have an unfair advantage.

I know that there's a group in Olympia working on just that, voter owned elections.

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It is reasonable to ask for clean air

 But surely in all the years you have been on this earth you have figured out by now that cars have stinky exhaust pipes?  And that standing by a major roadway will expose you to them?

I'm for finding alternative fuels, but acting shocked and surprised at exhaust fumes when standing by a road is like going to a porno shop and being shocked to see explicit images of sexual acts.   

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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what

i dont follow you get your gun but when somebody asks for clean air you label them a pervert
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Bert, I think it's a fine question

There are things communities can do to reduce emmisions. Nothing wrong with talking about how we can do so. Recently,the Minniapolis City council passed an ordinance that says you cannot let your car idle more than 3 minutes in the city. Good for them. Good for anyone trying to make things better instead of clinging to their comfortable, cynical, fatalistic ways.
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Of course

 My comfortable, cynical, fatalistic way is a single 5hp outboard engine that will run 1.5 hours on a single gallon of gas at cruising speed.

Perhpas Olympia should just ban internal combustion engines.  Would keep those pesky warmonger cargo ships out too.  

 

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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Lead, follow, or

get out of the way.
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No car

and a carbon footprint of less than four metric tons. 

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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So you agree with Rod that

reducing emissions is a good idea. Great!!!
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Never said I didnt'

 I simply was surprised it took standing alongside a road to notice exhaust fumes.

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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noticing exhaust fumes

I have noticed them for a long time, remember I am a bicyclist. However, the fumes were particularly bad, probably the worst I have ever experienced, yesterday morning. I am sure it was a combination of the chilly weather conditions, and the location near the stop light. Cars were either speeding through, or stopping/idling/accelerating.

Another way to reduce emissions would be to lower speed limits and enforce them. I am amazed at how regularly and routinely people speed - even the police!

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Or bicyclists

going down Harrison hill for one.

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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Try

 lighter cars...

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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cough cough

I've done a lot of hitch hiking and i know exactly what you mean. at least it's been cold out. nothing is worse than sucking down semi exhaust in kansas in 110 degree heat for hours on end.

standing on the side of the road is the pits. 

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Seconded

While I was biking around town, I came up with the "If your car makes me cough, you need to get it tuned up" standard. Seriously, some of the cars are so noxious that it makes me gag. It shouldn't be harming my health to ride a bike.
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Being a bike rider myself and avid hiker,

there is likely more risk to your body by riding the bike than anything you are breathing in. Some of that risk it due to some of the crappiest drivers in the nation drive here, but also the bicyclists frequently are their own worst enemy with their riding behavior.

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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I think they're talking about reducing

the cumulative risk. Driving a car is dangerous. Driving a car with a smoker inside is more dangerous.
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I need to get a crystal ball like yours Gug,

you have been able to tell us what others are thinking in the past as well as in this thread, bravo.

Never the less, if you are correct, they can reduce their risk more if they quit riding the bike. I think it's less about their health or their risk, and more about their politics. Of course, my crystal ball isn't as in tune as yours. ;-)

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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Holy smokes

You just smacked the snot out of yourself with an irony stick.
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Ironing stick?

 I use an ironing board sometimes though. :-p

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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That was for JT, not you

but you go ahead with your irony board.
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I know who it was for

 But I couldn't resist a joke. 

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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You Can't Have It Both Ways

If you push regulating emissions, you'll be oppressing the lower income society. Most who drive older cars that are exhaust bombs are folks who can't afford the financial upkeep of what they have nor are they capable of buying something newer that would meet your opinion of health standards.

There's always those cute little paper medical masks. $2.00 a dozen. If they're good enough to prevent virus spreads to your lungs in hospitals, they're good enough to protect your lungs from those darn poor people who are poisoning you with their exhausts.

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We could certainly exempt people for financial reasons

So that problem is so easily dealt with that it becomes a non issue, other than ways to encourage them to ride share, use mass transit, etc. The vast majority of emmisions are from commercial and public enterprizes and citizens who are not so poor that they cannot maintain their vehicles, lawn mowers, fireplaces, etc. The mask is a good idea.

Now that I've solved the poor people problem, welcome aboard the Cleaner Air Train.  That said, while I like the idea of cleaning things up as best we can, I'm not sure how we'd do it in Olympia. No idling vehicles, alternative truck routes, improved transit, bike paths, ... Anything else?

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Look at California

 The do (ro did when I was down there) exempt vehicles that were a certain age from emissions quality.  These typically were the older cars that low income people could afford.  

While it is great to push carpooling and mass transit, does this mean that only people who can afford cars of a certain type can quality should be driving while the poor and low income get more or less relegated to public transit only?

There needs to be a more equitable solution.

The buses, I believe should be running on Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) which IIRC do not put out toxice exhaust.  Again going back to Kalifornia, the transit vehicles in San Diego used CNG, and the exhaust was safe to breath.  It was actually nice stand near a transit vehicle tailpipe on the rare very cold mornings.  

 

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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I didn't say that poor people should should ride transit

I said, other than exempting them from emmisions requirements, there is not much esle we can do about [their cars] other than to teach them about transportation alternatives. People with clean running cars are less of a problem, but, yes, they should be encourged to try alternatives as well.
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My income is too low to

My income is too low to support having a car at all and I think it more equitable to invest in public transit that anyone could use than to advocate for cars for all. A greater scope of services from public transit would provide anyone, regardless of income, greater mobility.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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I'll second Chia here

 I can't afford my lifestyle and a car, so I ditched having a car.  Enhancing mass transit, and taxing the population for it in an equitable manner would be the thing to do.  

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."
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There are many ways to

There are many ways to ameliorate air pollution without harming the poor. Improving the bus system, just to name one.
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Of course the worst of the fumes

...is from our very own public transportation. Nothing like diesel fumes to make your alveoli curl. Yay IT!
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Serious Action Urged on Climate Disruption

I second this motion. Urgent action is needed on climate change. Weird weather here in the Pacific NW. Cars spewing out all sorts of noxious fumes in the complete absence of emissions regulations - for a cyclist this could easily mean premature death (from inhalation of toxics.)

It would be better if people would start using the term 'Climate Disruption' instead of 'Global Warming.' Because although the overall global temps are increasing, as the unseasonably cool and damp late spring here in the NW attests to, the result of anthropogenic introduction of massive quantities of heat and energy into the atmosphere is not necessarily a consistent local warming phenomenon.

Maybe all the cool air here in the Puget Sound is the result of increased mixing with arctic air. If so, I am curious to know what the conditions are in the far Northern and Southern regions of the globe...

Urgent action is needed. For the sake of so many endangered species, for the sake of so many species already lost to extinction, for the sake of my lungs(!) - we need to do something to change the way we operate on a daily basis.

There is no reason why 80% of cars on the road in the USA are not plug-in hybrids. These can typically travel 25 miles without need for combustion motoring - enough for most peoples' regular daily needs. That's where we should be right now, 80% plug-in electric hybrids. The fact that we aren't is a clear signal of governmental failure - and quite possibly corruption as well, in the form of collusion with the automobile and petroleum industries.

Anyway, I wanted to pass on this article from the NYT.

Have a good day. And I wish a lungful of clean air to you!

- bert

The New York Times


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/world/11climate.html

June 11, 2008

Strong Action Urged to Curb Warming

The scientific academies of 13 countries on Tuesday urged the world to act more forcefully to limit the threat posed by human-driven global warming.

In a joint statement, the academies of the Group of 8 industrialized countries — Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States — and of Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa called on the industrialized countries to lead a “transition to a low-carbon society” and aggressively move to limit impacts from changes in climate that are already under way and impossible to stop.

The statement, posted by the National Academy of Sciences in the United States, urged the Group of 8 countries to move beyond last year’s pledge to consider halving global emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050 and “make maximum efforts” to reach this target.

The academies recommended speeding the adoption of new energy technologies and encouraging changes in behavior that curb energy use and greenhouse-gas emissions. They also urged investing more to improve solar and nuclear energy technologies and in projects to capture and permanently store carbon dioxide produced by power plants. The academies also said it was necessary to study artificial “geoengineering” methods for stabilizing climate, as well as large-scale reforestation.

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There is no reason why 80%

There is no reason why 80% of cars on the road in the USA are not plug-in hybrids.

Are you sure about that?

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80% are not hybrids

Yeah, I meant to say that there is no reason that 80% couldn't and shouldn't be plug-in hybrids. - except that the petroleum industry wouldn't like it!

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Being a Northwetter from age 6

this weather, although record setting is not unheard of. June is traditionally a cool, rainy month. This year it's just more so. This is not to diss climate change and it's threat to our species, (and many other higher life forms) but to blame this anomaly on higher greenhouse gas levels is probably not accurate.

On a personal note I like this weather. As a fair skinned man of Northern European descent (Deutsch) who works outside, I do not miss the sun burn and the risk of melanoma that accompanies exposure to an unshielded thermonuclear furnace.

It's a memory kind of sky...

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No really, it's worse

I'm not going to make as to the cause, but this June is decidedly worse than it has been. Check out the news:
Seattle Colder than Siberia

Second-colded year, only beat by 1917

Graphically, it's significant
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Value laden words in regards to weather bug me

rainy=bad. Sunny=good. Value judgments about the weather=Stupid. I'm tired of feeling odd about my affection for rain and clouds.

Anyway. I didn't say this June wasn't very unusual. All I said is from my experience June is not known for sunny skies and warm temps. Summer weather up here begins mid-july and runs through September. Yes it was record-breakingly wet and cold but... Oh never mind...

 

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How about Hydrogen?

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Technology

The "problem" with hydrogen is the same as the problem with the other alternatives, we just can't do it cheaply. The procedure of freeing the hydrogen and combining it with carbon would use more energy than it would produce.

image
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All of a sudden,

Because Rob W. has an epiphany from his hanging out on a street corner, we are suddenly aware of and worried about vehicle emissions, and our children breathing them, unbelievable.

Not enough real or fabricated gloom and doom for you folks?

If nothing else, you Greeners provide a huge comic relief.

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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Doom and Gloom

John - it was not an epiphany. I was writing not out of an enlightened awareness of the state of automobile emissions, I was writing because of how particularly bad they were in that time and place that I was there standing up for a candidate I support.

It is well-known that human activities are having seriously harmful effects on the planet. Our societies are full of violence. We pollute. We degrade. We cause species to go extinct and we don't change our harmful ways.

I am glad to see that you find entertainment here.

But I am personally offended by your statement that this is all fun and games. It's not. People are getting hurt. I am being genuine. It's serious. People are suffering because of the pollutive and destructive character of this society. And apparently it is funny to you.

I don't understand how you get along in your life taking pleasure from the suffering of others.

Open your heart and mind, John. Please learn to respect the truth of others.

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name calling

Does name calling make you feel better? Answer truthfully please.

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Don't let it get to you Rob

He confuses insults with knowledge. It's three-quarters of his schtick these days. Reminds me of Sarge sometimes, with all those cute names for people he disagrees with...like al qaeda-crats and Hilary Bin Clinton.
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Thanks Jim

I won't let it bother me.

Ignorance is the enemy. Wisdom is the sword. (and compassion.)

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Don't forget JT's hypocrite theme

he likes to throw that one at anyone whose politics are left of center.  JT is demeaning and abusive on a pretty consistent basis.  I again call for the implementation of a three strike suspension system here to improve the level of discussion. 
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This "logic" escapes me

Maybe we can just ban all cars that are powered by gasoline. Oh wait then Robert will have hardly anyone to look at his signs on the side of the road! LOL you liberals make me laugh. You won't be happy until we all go back in time 300 years and live a primitive life. Sorry, it ain't gonna happen!
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primitive life

I think blowing pollution into the air and into the face of innocent bystandrs is primitive in itself. This society is quite primitive in itself. Conquest and corruption and violence dominate foreign policy, tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy while the poor can't afford to put healthy food on the table... Talk about primitive.

Primitive is relative. Primitive is is in the eye of the beholder.

But of course you have a point. The problem with our current consumption of fossil fuels is precisely that it is not sustainable. Petroleum companies are investing not in sustainable alternatives; they're investing in infrastructure to extract the last remaining (and difficult to access) reserves.

We're killing the Earth. That's primitive.



"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

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S lng ts bn gd t knw y

...
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Disemvoweled

Did you self-disemvowel?

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition fr

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I disemvowled myself to acknowledge

our delightful new contributor, gazakazoo.
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acknowledgement

I am not sure if gazakazoo is a contributor. Might be a detractor. We'll have to wait and see.

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Primitive or punitive?

So we are "killing the earth" with a liquid that the earth naturally produces? OK, I guess we're killing the earth with CO2 as well. Perhaps we should all stop breathing. We will find new advances in transportation, alternative fuels, and new inventions just like we always have in the history of this planet. There is no conspiracy by big business to stop innovation; you see there are always new companies and entrepreneurs out there looking for the next big thing. That's what I believe, I choose look at what's ahead instead of looking for ways to punish people and punish business. So you can keep looking for ways to get people out of their cars, that is doing nothing to address the big picture.
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eh?

There is no conspiracy by big business to stop innovation...

Are you serious? Have you been living in a cave? The Mickey Mouse Protection Act comes to mind without a second of thought. Oil companies buying and shelving battery technology advances fall somewhere in that horizon. It's all good if you want to wax poetic about some dream tide raising all boats, but reality gets no beer goggles.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Please cite

"Oil companies buying and shelving battery technology advances fall somewhere in that horizon."

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okay

Texaco Ovanic. As of September of last year ChevronTexaco filed a claim against ECD Ovonics attempting to take all of the copyrights outright.

Here's a good book about it all.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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You mean

Patents, not copyright I hope.  

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my mind was too narrow

And I've been thinking a lot about copyrights. At any rate, ChevronTexaco is attempting to wrest all intellectual property rights from ECD Ovonics.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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thanks for the info

 

n/t

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Yah,

There's a documentary called "Who Killed the Electric Car" that touches on such things as well.
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Killing the Earth

So we are "killing the earth" with a liquid that the earth naturally produces?
We are killing the Earth. The relationship between human societies and petroleum is a major part of the problem.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein

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The Earth considerately buried this concentrated Death

far out of harm's way. Yea, yea, some comes to the surface naturally but it took a naked ape to extract and burn enough to alter atmospheric chemistry.
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I don't see the name calling I'm

accused of. As far as my post above being abusive, it is far less so than many here making such accusations have done in the past, even recently. My post was kidding the faction here that are taking this post as seriously as they are. Seems the skin here on the blog is tissue paper thin. As for abusive types here, there probably is no one more abusive on Olyblog than Mike.

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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A lot of your posts on these topics

use, "Liberal,"Greener,"Enviro-crat," etc. as a form of derision. I don't consider it abusive. It just becomes rather deadening after awhile.
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From what I have observed JT

From what I have observed JT is the most abusive blogger here. He says things just to be mean -- most of what he writes has little or no content, just a little blast of negativity.
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What? Seriously!?

JT is the most abusive poster? Well first of all, I'm glad someone else took my crown of thorns from me and second, I wholeheartedly disagree. But then, you'd expect nothing less from me huh?

It's blatantly clear that if you don't agree with those who don't eat meat, don't like guns, don't want to paint the world green, don't believe in global warming, and so much more, you're considered the most abusive blogger(s) here.  You're talked down to, bullied, disemvoweled and deleted without any notice or reason why. You're not allowed to post anything that isn't hyperlocal with hyperlocal being defined by somebody elses opinion. We who don't share in your opinions or always agree with your statements just know thats the way it is.

Funny though, us supposedly abusive bloggers never call those of you who disagree with our statements or opinions abusive bloggers.  Nor do we demand apologies for every statement you make about us.

Bullying people to see and agree with your stances never works.

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Not this old argument again

You confuse bullying with disagreement. It's one thing for someone to disagree with you and say so. It's another for them to call you names. You seem unable to distingusih the two. Evidently I make JT want to puke. What parallels to that kind of talk do you regularly see from you oppressors? That's all from me.
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blatantly clear?

What is blatantly clear to me is I get tired of people complaining about a free service with which they can create just about anything hyperlocal they want and have it read by thousands of people every week. I would love for all of the hard-work-will-get-you-everywhere people on OlyBlog to chip in a little and do some work. That'd be awesome.

JT is still welcome to create a beat for OlyBlog. As are you, as is S6, and on and on and on and on. If this were a shooting range you'd be wasting shots on shadows.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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rainy gray,

I would agree that sometimes I can be snarky, or sarcastic, but I really don't think it raises to the level of abusive.

My commenting is at a very low level any more, but as far as content, I do post an article or two every month. I don't think you are a high content person either, or have I missed something?

JPO, thanks for watching my six.

enpen, still trying to be a good boy.

Gug, you don't make me want to puke, but your arrogance does sometimes. Don't personalize things, I thought you were one of those with some thicker skin. If JPO and Norm like you, you can't be all bad ;-)

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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?

still trying to be a good boy.

Yes, snarky comments. Your paternalism is added to my lame list. Please feel free to use this resource to help build community. Or you can keep wasting our time and further marginalize yourself and your coworkers.

Edit: Speaking of bad fumes, you should pass this picture around the office:



"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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My mom loves me too...

As for arrogance, it's a hard row to hoe...

 

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Urgh

I think JT calls 'em as he sees 'em.  It's ok to use blunt language when talking about Bush, or Ralph's Thriftway, or whatever pet topic is fashionable amongst the "progressive" crowd this week.  But be as blunt about other stuff, well better watch out!

 

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yes

The misnomer that calling'em like you see'em is always an admirable trait...or even approaches truth. If I look through a Coke bottle and tell you what I see, how much bearing does that have on the world outside of that bottle?

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Who is to say

That looking through a coke bottle is not your prefered world view?  Should you be penalized because you see the world through a coke bottle, and not say a pepsi bottle, or no bottle at all?

So you penalize people who do not see the world through the same eyes as you? 

I thought diverse world views were encourged and accepted.

 

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I am to say

That's one of the few perks of being a docent.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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So

Censorship?

EDIT:  Removed stuff that would be better said in private.

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I'll have a double vendetta with a twist of lemon please

We all know where we all stand don't we? Anyone feel like budging?.............Nope? Okay, so there we go. I'm with EG on this one.

I'm still going to chime in with my (as someone described) schoolmarm scolding now and agian. But I'd like to se all the resentments, including mine, take a holiday.  Next time this argument pops up I'm just going to say "I love you" in the language of my choosing.

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I like my

Vendetta on the rocks with a Guiness chaser.  

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Vendetta up.

Leave the bottle.
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Censorship?

Yes we can censor. The chances of censoring a voice intent on helping build this project are minimal. The chances of censoring a voice that wastes our time increase in accordance with the amount of time wasted. Dealing with you as a member of this free community, for example, is a part time job in terms of the number of hours spent on issues that arise from you being you.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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This argument has yet to be

This argument has yet to be won on Olyblog - you know that!
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Well enpen,

for me to have any concerns about marginalization here on Olyblog would mean I believed that I derived any power or status from the majority of this group, I don't believe that for a second, nor do I seek it.

As for my co-workers, judge them on their behavior/comments, not mine. Just as you would expect others to judge you on yours alone.

"A dog is not 'almost human', and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such." - John Holmes

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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why are you here?

The status I seek with OlyBlog: to be a participating member of the Olympia community.

What is your intent with this space?

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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If you'd like to contribute, please register for an account. Here is a list of local news beats that need to be covered. You can post your news as a personal blog entry, and it will be reviewed (and possibly edited) for promotion to the front page. Once you've established a record of responsible blogging, you can become an autonomous user. You can also send news via email. All members of OlyBlog agree to abide by our comment and fair use policies. If you are frustrated about something said in a comment thread, go here.

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OlyBlog is a site for news and discussion about Olympia, Washington.
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