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Submitted by security_six on Tue, 05/13/2008 - 11:36pm.

From Wikipedia

Letter from Inside the Black Bloc

Black Bloc FAQ's

The Black Bloc and Anarchism

Infoshop.org Black Blocs for Dummies

Black Bloc Tactics Communique

Interesting, and sometimes disturbing stuff here. Perhaps we should count ourselves lucky that only a few windows were broken...

Most of these pages are pretty pro black bloc. I had a hard time finding pages about resisting, infiltrating, or eliminating black blocs.

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"Most folks I know who have

"Most folks I know who have used Black Bloc tactics have day jobs working for nonprofits. Some are school teachers, labor organizers or students. Some don't have full-time jobs, but instead spend most of their time working for change in their communities. They start urban garden projects and bike libraries; they cook food for Food Not Bombs and other groups. These are thinking and caring folks who, if they did not have radical political and social agendas, would be compared with nuns, monks, and others who live their lives in service." Truly 'disturbing.' How about instead of thinking of ways to become provocateurs, we respect a diversity of tactics and work towards improving the tactics that we agree with, rather than tearing other people down.
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Agent Provacateurs

The black bloc has been the number one police tool for squelching dissent since it's rise. Since even before the Seattle WTO demonstrations- police have been using 'agent provocateurs' to infiltrate peaceful protests and incite violence. This allows them to justify the use of force and vilify protesters in the eyes of the media and the public. There are many good intentioned people that use the black bloc but they are naive. They don't realize the extent to which they are being used. I used to be one of those kids myself.. After observing over time the way that this tactic has been co-opted by police, I have renounced it completely. I do believe in direct action but violence (even violence against property) will not accomplish anything but justify police brutality in the eyes of the media. You cannot beat them by playing their game. People need to be creative in their direct action and protest not destructive. We have enough destruction as it is. That game has been played time and time again and IT ALWAYS FAILS AND IS CO-OPTED.
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Proof?

 Documented evidence?  Any?  Thanks.

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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Did you not watch the video I posted the other day

showing cops posing a black bloc and later even admitting to it after they were so obviously guilty. What else do you need for proof? Here it is...again.
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No

The anti scripting stuff I have in my browser blocks videos sometimes, and I usually don't catch them.

At any rate, sometimes the groups are infiltrated, does that mean ALL of them are, and ALL of their tactics are suspect?  Read their own literature.  They are cowardly vandals plain and simple looking to create mayhem.  Excusing their actions by saying a criminal group is infiltrated is silly.   

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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?

They are cowardly vandals plain and simple looking to create mayhem.

Is life really that simple for you? For a person so intent on dispelling labels and ignorance some of your off hand remarks make my eyes cross.

Mimetic's point isn't that every single instance is infiltrated, it's that the strategy is always infiltrated at least once which has profoundly negative repercussions for the strategy as a whole.

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will..."
- Yoda

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This is how I see it

 Black Blocs exist (by their own admitance) to create problems.  They wear masks and commit various acts of civil disobedience or violence.  I consider hiding behind a mask while engaged in protest to be cowardly.

Now the rights to peaceably assemble and protest are very well protected.  If one is not intent on breaking the law and is willing to show up and protest, why hide your face?  If one wants to throw rocks and break things, there is very good reason to hide your face.

It is the hiding of one's face while engaging in violent acts I consider cowardly.   

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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there's an empathy problem

And the language you're using (without realizing it?) comes to you from a culture steeped in cowboy bravado archetypes. I certainly wouldn't ask you to agree with people doing this (that would be like me asking somebody to agree that Capitalism is good for humanity) but to go from acknowledging "(i)f one wants to throw rocks and break things, there is very good reason to hide your face" to saying it's cowardly is forcing an Empire State Building piece into a Grand Canyon puzzle. These are people who disagree with a system to the extent that they believe lawful protests no longer work. Making it easy for themselves to be caught up by that system would be stupid not brave.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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So I should

 Comiserate with them while I doge glass shards? 

Violence isn't the answer until it is done by those with anarchist leanings?  

First off I don't believe their tactics are appropriate.  Therefore, their actions, hiding their faces, and destroying things are not appropriate.

Furthermore, given the nature of their actions, one could argue masked people in a protest could be a threat or a sign of danger.

Now I'm all for exercising rights, but when the exercise of that is a deliberate form of harassment...

And the black bloc use the masks partly to conceal their identity and partly as a tool of intimidation and harassment.  

I'm all for masked protesting, until they start becoming part of illegal actions.

Given the broad and careful free speech protections in this state's constitution, I would argue that there be no effort made to make masked protesting illegal, but given the greater threat they pose, I would suggest great penalties for rioting or destruction of property while masked and while part of a protest group.  Similar to the greater penalties for armed robbery vs unnarmed robbery.

What do YOU propose doing about them?

I understand what it is they do, and why they do it.  It does not make it any more correct.

But hey, who cares.  They are a fringe element, and fringe elements, especially ones that burble about the evils of capitalism, or whatever the leftist fringe is excited over that week seem to tolerated in Oly.  One goes from empathizing with their reasons and actions, to ignoring their presence.  Then something blows up... 

 I believe it is cowardly to protest masked.  If you have something to say, take responsibility for your statements.

If you want to destroy property it makes sense to mask yourself, it also is a form of intimidation, and a carefully calculated one at that.   

I've got more to say on the subject, but it is more opinion than fact, and I am researching a fact piece on the BB, and will put that on my website, with an opinion piece seperate.

 

 

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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sometimes I'm all about the Jesus

If you live in a society that exists on the back of a military then I think you resign yourself to violence. What would I do? Suffocate'em with love.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Chew on this...

"What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to
prevent the establishment of a standing army,
the bane of liberty." Rep. Elbridge Gerry of
Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress at 750 (August
17, 1789)

Now consider the "militia clauses" so many states still have.  Consider the National Guard is a recent invention.  Consider that there was a time when the able bodied citizens of a town, county and state took their own defense into their own hands, and the Federal Government maintained a navy, a small professional army, and some marines.  Consider that the Sheriff of a county as the chief law officer has enormous powers and can restrict outside agencies from acting in his county.

Time to get rid of the National Guard and return the true authority to The People and the several states.

Imagine no national guard.  How hard would it be to raise troops to go overseas?  Given the current war, governors under the old system would be able to refuse to send troops outside of their border, and even refuse to allow their militias to be called up.

Look into the matter.  Slowly rights and powers are being stripped away.  The true military power in this country should be the local militias.  The county sheriff provides oversight of law enforcement activities, and the Governor controls the state troops.  The army should be a small highly trained group, and some reserves.   

 
Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"

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Well...

"What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty."

I'm not sure the black bloc isn't sympathetic to or inconsistant with that sentiment.

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I would debate that

 The militia is supposed to broadly be the people in general, and capable, although not required to, just capable of organzing into such a fashion as to create a military force.  I do not believe the black bloc qualifies in that regards, plus there is no public oversight of the BB as there is of the militia.

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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militia and the republic

The militia is supposed to broadly be the people in general

Gary Hart, in one of the most interesting books I've ever read, makes essentially the same point. If we can't rise to the common defense, if we download the basic roal of citizen (to protect each other), how are we a Republic?

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Debate what?

That black bloc is sympathetic to something that "...prevent[s] the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty."
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They are inconsistent

 With the notion of a citizen militia as envisioned, planned for and practiced in the earlier days of this nation.  They are a criminal group, nothing more.  

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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Nothing more?

That's odd. I suppose that makes sense if you ignore their influence. Have you tried to organize a trade conference in Europe lately? Anyway, you go with your militia. 'nough of this.
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I'm not with

 Any militia, so there is no "your militia".  

Criminals often have undue influence.  How many European trade confrences have you organized?

There are more anarchist and militant socialist groups in Europe as well, which may have something to do with the BB's influence.

Given the nature of my conversation, let us say I was referring to stuff going on in the United States. 

Confucius Say-"He who need inquire if safe with one in pipe, ask loaded question!"
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off topic, but

The racism of your sig line has really been bugging me. It's your choice, but maybe you could switch it up to something that doesn't perpetuate stereotypes?

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