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Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 11:26am.
To get the lay of the Nazi land, check out the hate sites: "nuke israel", overthrow, and stormfront. The first two are National Socialist Movement sites, the Stormfront one includes all manner of white supremacists. Viewer caution advised.
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Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 5:56pm.SUNLIGHT
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:19pm.Were your posts supposed to
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:21pm.Cirius?
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:25pm.No, I lived in alabama for a
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:28pm.Freedom
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:33pm.Victim of northern propaganda Norm?
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:31pm.What brought slavery into the discussion?
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 7:13pm.Was it the mention of the Southern Poverty Law Center? That organization just happens to be a good resource for people who are tracking oppression of all sorts in the U.S.
Regarding the status of slaves in the South, perhaps some research is in order:
My interpretation of this quote is that there was universal use of physisical coercion, some more extreme than others. So, how was this a good deal for the slaves?
Clarification
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 7:24pm.I think there's some truth in what you're saying.
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 7:36pm.Scholars...
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 8:26pm.Truth?
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 8:26pm.Now you have me curious. Since we are speaking about truth and history, please tell us your beliefs concerning the Holocaust.
Its not about 'fault'
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 8:32pm.Hitler
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 8:33pm.Astronomy
Submitted by percival on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 8:44pm.I can't remember who said....
Submitted by Jade on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 10:20pm.You're arguments sound a lot like arguments that holocaust deniers use. "it wasn't THAT bad", or there weren't "THAT many of them".I consider it racist to say that having human beings as property "wasn't that bad", though I agree that some of the poverty people live in today is comparable to slavery.
However, I don't think that the "white race" is in danger, nor do I think that white women prefer non-white men, nor do I think that people of color are necessarily more "cosmopolitan", nor do I think that racist ideas like those you are expressing are at all similar to how I feel about things. So I don't think we should just say "I'm ok, you're ok". I think racist ideas really hurt people in concrete ways.
I know what you mean about the South. Its true that in many ways it is not any more racist than the North. And it is true that Southern culture is misunderstood by many Americans up North. However, it seems there is also a sort of collective, consensus-based amnesia that most Southerners participate in. It is demonstrated very well in your post. Many Southerners, including black Southerners like to romanticize the old South saying how great it was. I would encourage you to consider that this is some type of propaganda. You may be right that people exaggerate how great today is, but they also do so with the past. (There are a lot of good books on this subject.)
Frederick Douglass disagreed with you about the old South (of which he was a member):
"There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practises more shocking and bloody than are the people of these United States at this very hour.Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practises of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival..."
slightly misunderstood...
Submitted by percival on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 3:05am.OK...
Submitted by Jade on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 12:15pm.Sorry, Charlie...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 9:08pm.Let's start with the happiness assertion. Just what was the level of fear among white people during chattel slavery? Rebellion. Nat Turner. Rape and murder. The origins of policing in the United States - slave patrols - were invented in the 1820's and 1830's in the slaveholding states of the Union. These institutions evolved until they regulated the lives of all the poor, free and bonded alike.
If that white fear gave rise to institutions such as the police, and the National Guard, and the Ku Klux Klan, then why could any serious historian say that Black men and women in bondage had a good deal? How could you call them happy, if the organized body of all free white men had to be placed under arms for the protection of the system? I've seen many photographs of slaves' welts and scars. I've seen the old slave house in Southern Illinois, and looked at the cages where women servants were bred with a man held there, for a fee. That was happening in a Northern State, and it was illegal at the time it happened. But it did happen. They mined salt from a spring in the earth, boiled it down to granular salt.
I agree that we need unity. But more importantly, we need memory. Accurate memory. Not to blame, but to understand.
The North was the home of the largest KKK organizations. Indiana, Ohio, Illinois (in that order if I recall correctly) were the three largest memberships for the KKK in the 1920's. The North did not free the slaves, either - in their own territory. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in those parts of the country still in rebellion against the Union. It's short, you can read it for yourself very easily. I know this. But it does not make slavery a nice deal or a utopia without money.