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Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 9:33am.
Nov 11 2007 - 6:30pm [via omjp]
Tonight (Sunday, November 11) Yesterday, citizens of this community were brutally victimized by the Olympia Police for taking non-violent direct action to oppose the use of our public port by the military. Others, including myself, were pepper sprayed and shoved with batons for doing nothing more than being there to witness and document the events, and for trying to help the injured. The war abroad has now become the war at home. And it’s a war being waged against your friends and neighbors. Regardless about how you feel about the use of our port by the military, it is important to understand that what is happening to your friends and neighbors who demonstrate against it is a threat to the civil rights and liberty of everyone. There will be an important community forum tonight at 6:30pm at Traditions to document and discuss what happened. It is very important that the people of this community turn out to bear witness to the stories of brutality, and to help the victims process their trauma. Please, please, please. Clear your schedule of other obligations and join us at Traditions tonight at 6:30 pm. Contact me if you have questions, and please share this widely.
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I think one of the police
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 10:04am.I think one of the police officers in an article during the week put it best this way: civil disobedience is a choice, not a right.
I can't imagine many people having sympathy on this one. Anyone visiting The Olympian's website can watch video of the last week and come to their own conclusion as to whether or not they want to deem those protesting as victims.
And Birmingham, AL this was not.
I don't think the Founding Fathers agree with you.
Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 10:08am.When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
It's on the individual...
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 10:16am.To make the decision.
You can't expect the system you're trying to fight to offer immunity and protection.
And I'm speaking in general, not specific to the United States government.
That's exactly right!
Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 10:22am.And since you can't expect the gov't to offer immunity and protection, it is not unexpected that when citizens are unhappy with that gov't, they will experience conflict while expressing that unhappiness. It seems to me like democracy is doing exactly what it's supposed to do. So, why does everyone think the sky is falling (or that this is "embarrassing")?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Do you fully agree with the
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 10:39am.If they printed that Declaration word-for-word today they'd be disregarded as Racists.
It's the same old story - Everywhere I go, I get slandered, Libeled, I hear words I never heard in the bible
Nice sidetrack.
Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 11:59am.If you really want to have a conversation, you have to learn to stay on topic.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
History
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:00pm.Abraham Lincoln...
Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:23pm....was a racist. Do we throw out the Emancipation Proclamation?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Yes - we do. And we DID.
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Mon, 11/12/2007 - 2:14am.Drew...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 11/12/2007 - 9:07am....are you intent on alienating everyone? Even those who agree?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
i agree merwyn
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 11:06am.Which all say...
Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 12:00pm....exactly the same thing that the original quote.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
police & protestors
Submitted by EARNEST on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 11:22am.Citizen Review Board
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 11:53am.I am on the fence about the event tonight. I don't think that it is easy to bring law enforcement agencies to task when they engage in excessive use of force. The whole law enforcement system - from emergency phone system, to police administrators, to prosecutors, to judges - is inclined to protect its own at the expense of citizens.
I would ask everyone to remember how responsive the Tacoma Police Department and the law enforcement system was to Crystal Brame when she sought protection from her former husband, Police Chief David Brame. For those of you unfamiliar with the story, here is my earlier post about it.
I think the only effective means to control a police force is through a citizen review board that has the authority to suspend a police office without pay or fire an officer for violations of community standards for law enforcement.
I encourage all to consider helping to establish powerful citizen review boards to provide oversight and accountability to the agencies that the community authorizes to use force in service to the community.
Anything less than a powerful, citizen-controlled review board will serve the community about as well as the justice system served Crystal Brame in Tacoma.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953
Independent Review Panels
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Mon, 11/12/2007 - 2:26am.I also use the term "independent review panels" because you don't have to be a citizen to need or use human rights, and you don't want to perpetuate the idea that cops should be soldiers and non-cops are "civilians." So for me, citizen and civilian review are terms to avoid in favor of independence.
How do we dismantle power-over by holding power over police? Money is a big one, we can dismantle budgets - but the baby will plug the drain if we do that. Many people want someone to keep drunk drivers off the road, and few seem willing to drive down to the bars and offer the free rides which would otherwise solve that issue.
except...
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 12:10pm.Rights?
Submitted by CIAGuy on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:20pm.The cops don't have a union,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:33pm.A citizen review board would
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:45pm.It would also make a lot of people question whether the profession is worth getting involved with.
Friday there's no police response and businesses can't carry on with -- well -- business (not to mention numerous Olympia and Thurston County citizens upset with the inaction.)
Saturday there's a police response in which people were warned (as we saw from The Olympian's video) that they were in violation of numerous laws and that, at the least, they needed to get out of the street. The fault? With the police, of course!
It's just not a profession worth getting involved with. You try to do the right thing and enforce the laws and use the tools which society has provided you and you're at risk of "[losing] wages" so you can "think twice about [your] actions," as if the possibility of a civil suit every time you make a decision wasn't enough.
I actually want to go into law enforcement and continue working in public service. I'm only a few years from making that decision.
It's days like this I think working for Blackwater or any other corporation would be a far better option.
You're not a libertarian anymore are you?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:54pm.I want citizen review not for these protests, but for the everyday encounters. Citizens review would also protect the police from frivolous lawsuits, if they are innocent.
You're not a libertarian
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 6:37pm.I'd say I've learned to be more practical.
What I'm saying is that not only does judicial review of your actions exist (both civil and criminal), but now we're talking about another layer of accountability.
That's three layers of "oversight" wanting to take away your paycheck and, in some instances, your freedom. Why? For doing a job. That's not to mention your address and picture being used to identify you. So, in order to working in local law enforcement, you have to surrender any privacy and hope today isn't the day you make the wrong decision and lose anything you've worked for.
We're all the same and one thing people like is at least the prospect of job security.
At the very least, police will just stand on the sideline and do nothing. There's simply too much risk involved with making a decision (not to mention the people who will be second-guessing that decision sit in an office. That's a big reason why Officers aren't the most popular part of the Armed Forces.)
More likely? People just won't go into the profession because it won't be worth it.
Not just a Job.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 6:40pm.The reason citizen review is wanted by so many in the community is because there is no accountability right now. People that need the accountability can't afford lawyers, and their complaints stop at the Chief's roundfile.
oh, i was just kidding about the whole libertarian thing, it really doesn't make a difference to me.
They are public servants.At
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 6:42pm.At what point does it become public slave?
When you stop paying them
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 6:45pm.Union, guild whatever
Submitted by CIAGuy on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 8:19pm.I disagree,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 8:55pm.Can we agree on one thing?
Submitted by Mike on Mon, 11/12/2007 - 9:03am.Can we agree on one thing? That thing being that the group of public employees who are authorized by the community to wield deadly force in the community may be subject to a different level of public scrutiny than say, union workers at a factory?
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953
Cops Without Guns?
Submitted by theunabonger on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 1:42pm.Yes!!!
Take their guns away, they'll have to behave like the rest of us "CIVILians". A civilian review board would be great, unfortunately, the Police do not like their actions scrutinized, as many of them do not seem to follow any serious ethical standards, and rarely are held accountable for violations.
Cosmo
NOT peaceful protest
Submitted by Tangpo on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 1:58pm.When citizens intentionally physically block other citizens going about their business, it is not a "peaceful" protest.
When citizens destroy private property and throw trash on a public thoroughfare, it is not a peaceful protest.
When citizens refuse to comply with peace officers legal orders it is not a peaceful protest.
Citizens who engage in such activity are engaging in VIOLENCE and should not be surprised by a proportional response from those whose job is to maintain public order.
OlyPMR's actions are VIOLENT! The police have responded with admirable restraint in the face of this violence.
And congratulations for once again turning the focus from the important issue (Iraq) into a bogus fight over police brutality. Doing so only further dilutes your already muddled message.
OlyPMR is completely tone-deaf about how to really make a difference in ending this war by choosing to publically masturbate instead of doing something meaningful. It's actions have actually done more harm to the anti-war movement by allowing the right-wing noise machine to paint all of us who oppose the war with the same anarchist/socialist/anti-American brush. That in turn allows them to keep the war going.
I hate this war like the VAST majority of the American public, but your actions are embarrassing beyond measure. Make a real difference, do something constructive, and stop pretending that these "direct actions" do anything to end this evil war.
and I do agree that . .
Submitted by theunabonger on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 3:39pm.. . . right wing nutjobs love pointing at the "silly" protesters and making fun of the greeners, but OlyPMR is trying *first*, to get attention so that regular people do speak out about the divisive schism in America that is "GW Bush's Iraq War", and *second*, attempt to stop the shipments through Non-Violent means, which they wouldn't have done anyway, if the Police would just have arrested them one-by-one, peacefully. (They were willing to be arrested or they would have obeyed the officer's "questionably lawful" orders.)
First get the people angry (and I'm damned angry about how the police handled PEACEFUL protesters), THEN, and only THEN, will they get off their asses and do something, pathetic sheep. . . .
Cosmo
Let's try some more creative characterizations
Submitted by Rick on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 3:45pm.How's about: "latent protesters?"
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
yeah, as if....
Submitted by theunabonger on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 3:27pm.HAHAHA, Oh that's funny. . . . .
I'm sorry, but . . . you should really re-think this, you write well, but your 'reasonator' is off-kilter. . . .
"Citizens who engage in such activity are engaging in VIOLENCE and should not be surprised by a proportional response from those whose job is to maintain public order.
OlyPMR's actions are VIOLENT! The police have responded with admirable restraint in the face of this violence."
Hard...
Submitted by wilson on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 3:59pm.Glad you asked :)
Submitted by Sarah on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 4:09pm.frustrated panda
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 5:44pm.The sooner we recognize that any steps toward a common goal are positive steps, the better we will be. These kinds of protests create space for reformists, actually enabling them to make change, as much as they'd like to deny it, it is true. These protests are exactly what liberals need in their quest to change policy. We should work together and stop the senseless criticizing and infighting.
From Police Chief Magazine - October 2007
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 7:11pm.Interesting article. Includes the following:
Three fourths of the largest cities in the United States have established some form of citizen law enforcement review.
These actions represent a de facto public finding that the civilian oversight is an appropriate response to the problem of law enforcement malpractice.
It's time for a citizen review board in Olympia. It's not a radical idea. As the Police Chief Magazine article states, it's been settled from the public's viewpoint.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953