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Submitted by Rick on Sun, 03/16/2008 - 10:37pm.

The docents met Sunday morning, covering a range of topics. Here is a run down of some of the issues we touched on, and what we are thinking.

The fun stuff:

  • As you no doubt noticed, we've put out the call for new docents. Let us know if you're interested and have the time and energy.
  • In order to recognize excellence in citizen journalism, we're going to name a "Blogger of the Month." The recipient will be rewarded with a gift certificate to a local business.
  • By unanimous vote, the docents agreed that stevenl be named Olyblogger of the Year for 2007. We are unable to offer a prize this year, but he has our eternal thanks and admiration for all the hard work he has done making OlyBlog damn fun to read!
  • We're starting up another fund drive in order to collect the cash we'll need to refit OlyBlog with a new structure that will allow more news-focused content on the front page, and take that function off of the blogs. Our initial goal will be $1,000. The following are some examples of layouts that we're considering:
    http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/
    http://www.opendemocracy.net/
    http://cornellsun.com/
    http://www.sbindependent.org/
    http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/
    Let us know what you think about these. We'll also be putting out the call to our more tech-savvy friends to help us build this new structure.
  • enpen is working on constructing a pool of stock photos of Olympia on Flickr. He'll post more on this later, but if you're interested, drop him a note.

The not-so-fun-but-necessary stuff:

  • We agreed that OlyBlog should adhere closer to its mission of focusing on hyperlocal content. In a manner similar to how Wikipedia flags material that does not meet its standards, docents will begin to flag material that has no apparent connection to Olympia. Olybloggers will have a chance to establish that connection; if there is no connection established within a reasonable amount of time, the non-local content may be removed. (There is one exception: humor. We all find a lot of value in sharing a good laugh.)
  • Docents will also begin to flag posts that violate the social contract. Again, the person who originally posted the material will have a chance to adjust the post. If there is no compromise after a reasonable amount of time, the offending post may be removed. Multiple violations may also result in the blogger being placed on probation until they create 3 local posts.

It looks like there are some big changes in our future as we continue this curious experiment into citizen journalism. Thanks to all our contributors and supporters in the community. We're trying to build something that will have lasting value to everyone in Olympia. Let us know if you have ideas about how we could do this better.

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Drupal as newspapers....

 Interesting, but I'm not sure it would work with olyblog.  The sites you referenced are places that seem more newspaper like, as opposed to a community generated blog/news site/society page... 

Plus the name "blog" doesn't conjure up newspaper layout.  The marketing would be all off.

A seperation of various topics is a good idea though.  News, opinion (news that relys heavily on opinion in addition to facts would fit there) sports, gossip/society/events/what's happening/items of interest (things that don't quite fit in other places) and maybe a place for people to be unpleasant with each other at times, or an off topic place.  Maybe block comments on pure news stories, but enable them for opinion pieces... 

Maybe allow individuals to decide if they want comments on their own news articles.

 

“How many more times are we going to cower under tables and chairs, whimpering like mindless dogs, thinking that someone else has the responsibility to save and protect us?” -Ted Nugent

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Marketing?

I don't think marketing is a core value when it comes to Olyblog.  But, if the plan is to split the site, creating a parallel news site like olynews.net (available), that would be awesome.  And, if this is an options I say YES! to ads.  Not a ton, but some selected advertising.  Why?  Think of how nice it would be to give stevenl a proper gift.  How nice it would be to pay $25 for a well written local article.  Other site comps, too.  Let olynews.net pay for olyblog.net.

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That's exactly what we're taling about

Except without the ads. We're working on non-profit status also so that we can apply for grants and receive tax-deductible donations.

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How about Underwriters then?

How about Underwriters then?
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Marketing

 Perhaps I should have said "Image"  Anyway I PM'd some ideas and observations to a couple of movers and shakers here...

Right now OlyBlog is basically the society and gossip page of Olympia, with a bit of hard news thrown in.  The problem with the hard news is that it is often tied in with a strong bias to one side or another.  I see very little neutral hard news here.  JB's article on the PMR meeting was perhaps one of the best written neutral pieces I have seen in some time...  I'm working on a couple along those lines myself.  OlyBlog will get taken a lot more seriously in the community when there is more unbiased hard news and more effort to seperate opinion from news.  

“How many more times are we going to cower under tables and chairs, whimpering like mindless dogs, thinking that someone else has the responsibility to save and protect us?” -Ted Nugent

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Unbiased news reporting is somewhat of a myth...

...and doesn't really exist in most other countries.

Do you think Fox News is unbiased, for example? CNN? The Olympian? Check out Media Matters to see what I'm talking about.

If you accept the journalism as conversation model that we've been exploring here, then of course people will have a point of view. However, through the process of discussing events and ideas, something like a neutral position can emerge.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
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I believe

 That news will have some sort of slant when presented, it's what makes Newspaper X appeal to some people and Newspaper Y appeal to others.  

I should have explained a little further.  Say there is a major event.  A person close to that event writes a piece and gives some facts about the event and describes the event from their perspective.  However while describing things from their point of view, they interject their own strong opinion about another partcipant of the event.  To me this has stopped being a credible source of news, and has become an opinion piece with some news buried in it.  But if this person simply describes the even from their point of view, it becomes a story on XYZ Event as told by a Person Seeing it From This Angle.  Said person could then go on as a seperate piece  and give their opinion, without sullying the news article with opinion.  I'm all for telling from a point of view, and I'm all for opinion, but the two should be seperated. 

That's why newspapers have an opinion page seperate from the news page.  The newspaper tells the news based on their standards, and in a manner that is palatable to their core market and the public as a whole.  They then tell their opinion on another page.  

I can think of some great articles here that would have been excellent journalism if stripped of rhetoric and opinion.  Not slant, or viewpoint, but rhetoric.  If the rhetoric and opinion that was stripped out had then been placed in an opinion piece, it would have been an equally exellent opinion piece. 

“How many more times are we going to cower under tables and chairs, whimpering like mindless dogs, thinking that someone else has the responsibility to save and protect us?” -Ted Nugent

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Bias vs. polemics

We all bring along our own little biases that may influence how we tell a story. But that's considerably different from telling a story simply to sell a political point of view. The meme that media bias must be countered by the "telling of all sides" is why we are now saddled with Fox News-style "fair and ballanced" conversations where it is assumed that every story has two sides that must be presented. That conversation is not news telling, it is just more news bending. I don't think anyone believes there is a perfectly unbiased news source. But just because there might be a little bias doesn't mean we need to embrace the WWF approach to news. Then again, someone might be wrong on the internets!
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What exactly is the World

What exactly is the World Wildlife Fund's approach to news? Or did you mean the Western Washington Fairgrounds?

If you were snarking on what I think you were snarking, that "federation" hasn't existed under that name or acronym since Winter '02.

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That's when I stopped watching

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Fox News actually exploited...

...the news-as-unbiased-reporting environment by changing the rules and beginning to play a different game. It has been to the great detriment of political dialog in this country that the other networks haven't caught up yet (with the possible exception of Keith Olberman). This is all somewhat different from what I'm talking about, though.

What I'm interested in changing is the notion that news is something to be consumed, rather than created. If we are all citizen journalists contributing to the collective knowledge of all, then we are engaged in a fundamentally different manner. We bring our context and bias, but that is checked through the process of conversation, something that doesn't really happen in the mainstream media. Thus, the news-as-conversation model is not as subject to the same kinds of concerns that we would apply to the networks or newspapers which operate on more of a journalist-as-expert model.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
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News creation vs news consumption

Yes! Got it.
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Thanks Guys

I appreciate your kind words. It also looks like OlyBlog will be headed for some positive changes.
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Would there be enough

user-generated material to maintain an up-to-date news site, in addition to blogs? Perhaps I missed a discussion on this, but I'm not sure I see the purpose in splitting up the content.
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There are several answers to this question.

One is that we'll never know unless we try.

Another is that, once we split the content, I believe that there will be more motivation for folks to contribute news content. That's because they won't be subject to the kind of acrimony that infects the blogs from time to time, and keeps people out of the game.

Finally, by getting better at pointing folks to important local stories that need to be told, and providing the instruction and tools that people need to tell those stories, we'll see a lot more user-generated content.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
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What would be nice...

Is if you would post usage stats for a while. How many people are visiting, how many are posting comments, how many are authoring new columns, and so on. Like an on going graph, to allow everyone to see how the new rules impact the site. C.

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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sorry I missed the meeting

But, I like the outcome.
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Thanks for the update,

the new ideas, and all the work.
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Tabs

 On the mainpage, you could promote articles from several categories.  The first tab would be news, click on that, and you could see a list of news articles submitted, much like the current tracker view, then opinion, events, what's happening, classified, individual blogs, etc...

The docents could mainly concern themselves with making sure stuff goes in the right place, and monitoring the social contract...  Also if news and news coupled with bias or opinion is seperated into news and opinion sections, some of the current problems with comments could be limited.  Don't allow commenting on pure news articles.  Someone doesn't like it, they start their own opinion thread that is commentable, etc... 

“How many more times are we going to cower under tables and chairs, whimpering like mindless dogs, thinking that someone else has the responsibility to save and protect us?” -Ted Nugent

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Thanks for reminding me: I

Thanks for reminding me: I liked the format of using tabs for phtos and videos and other media :) PS - I'm still working on getting a recipe for the non-dairy topping. The person I wrote to didn't offer suggestions so will broaden my search! I'm kind of careful with this because the taste and texture of toppings like this is kind of delicate and I'd like to maintain that in a recipe. This is great motivation for me to explore the world of non-dairy topping recipes! :)


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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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Format Choices

I like the last two choices best in regards to format. I like the inclusion of events toward the top, the ability to skim headlines before reading, and having only the temperature displayed in the banner rather than taking so much space for weather images. A link to a page or site with the images or greater details would be cool. I also think it would be ok to maintain the less formal standards for news stories currently on OlyBlog. Some of the styles looked like formal newspapers and that turned me off. I like things to look hand-made, even if not perfect because, to me, that's what community created is all about. I think that if the standards were to become so formal as to be intimidating to people who might just want to relax and write something, it would be a loss to the sense of community and diversity for the sake of a "professional" look and feel.


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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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