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Submitted by enpen on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:07pm.
I recently heard that Whirligig is closing and yesterday I noticed a "Going Out of Business" sign on the Chinese(?) wares store located next to Last Word Books on 4th. I remember in a past post on Otto's closure Mathias of einmaleins mentioned the feeling of downtown business owners that with the way things are going more and more businesses would follow.
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Shock and Thanks
Submitted by einmaleins on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:26pm.Whriligig is closing.... noooooooo, that is shocking.
They just started.... Hang in there... Whirligig, find a way to survive..., please, we need you.
Secondly:
Thanks Enpen, for the friendly reminder. I also want to point out that shopping local shouldn't be your "civic duty", but it's actually better on so many levels.
First off, you will get a better product.
Try us, if you're in doubt. Local small businesses have better products and a better shopping experience. Local shop owners are dedicated to their business, financially and emotionally.
I don't just sell SIGG water bottles because they make business sense, I love them. I used them growing up hiking in the Alps all the time.
If we could only question "convenience" for a second, and what it means for our lives we wouldn't look at downtown Olympia as a place we need to get out of our way to go shopping.
But a place of diversity, of excitement.
Dang, it is sexy to shop in downtown - there I said it.
mathias
PS: The Farmer's Market is opening in less than a month!!!
Since I'm Going To Europe This Summer
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 4:52pm.I'm going to have to stop in & see about one of those SIGG water bottles for the trip huh?
I'll have to tap your brain! I'll be in England, Paris (at the same time the International Terrorist Convention) is taking place, Swiss Alps and Italy! Maybe you can offer some tourist tips & places to go, see & eat at?!
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Oh, yeah...
Submitted by einmaleins on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 5:28pm.Too bad...
Submitted by nich on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 3:34am.Too bad we don't have any nice, quality, downtown housing to bring those dollars in...
Huh. That crap parking lot sure makes people want to come shop downtown since it's so easy to find a parking space. Right?
It's so pretty too.
wow, that's pretty negative and lame
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 10:50am.There were 40 units of housing in the downtown district that were torn down about two months ago to make way for a future WSCU building. That certainly doesn't help the downtown cause. And our current civic policies encouraging teens (and their expendable income) to go to the mall instead of downtown (no skateboarding, loud music or loitering) does a lot of damage as parents and their money tend to follow the kids.
If you find it less than "pretty" maybe you could get involved with some of the beautification projects going on down there? There's a group working to beautify the public space around the artesian well, and another group that will be working to turn the alley ways into pedestrian thoroughfares. Perhaps channeling some of your energy into projects like those would be helpful.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
times are tough
Submitted by ronnie on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 10:39am.it's true
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 10:55am.Folks aren't as loose with the cash. I'd just like to encourage more of the cash that is being spent to stay away from the big box stores and find its way into greater local circulation. The stronger we make our local economy the greater the likelihood of our region being able to weather the storms of national (and international) fiscal policy mismanagement.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Tough time for business right now,
Submitted by JT on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 12:07pm.the slouching dollar, high fuel prices, etc. There are other issues with downtown as well. A tough demographic to appeal to is one, which is a small group to some extent. Also there is the lack of parking. And then the free parking is a problem too, both in type and availability.
It's really too bad we don't have a downtown that is vibrant. Bremerton went though this kind of change, and the downtown became a ghost town for a long time. It is coming around some now, but it has taken a long time to come back. When Silverdale became business friendly, Bremerton died. Olympia has been anti-business for a number of years, and Lacey is pro-business. Now in tough economic times Olympia will feel some pain.
A big part of Olympia's tax base comes from sales tax. So if you want parks, and bike lanes, nice roads, and even low income housing, it takes tax money. There has been talk of the Auto Mall moving to Lacey. Home Depot has considered shutting down the Fones Rd store. It will only take a few of those kinds of changes to really hurt this town financially.
Other towns in this state have brought their downtown around and really succeeded. But for that to happen, there needs to be big changes downtown, and I don't see that happening. It's far more likely good things will happen for downtown with the current City Council, but even they can't do miracles overnight.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
yes, but the point is...
Submitted by einmaleins on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 12:54pm.The whole mind set of downtown
Submitted by JT on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 6:41pm.has to change. The current model is not business friendly. I doubt the powers that formed the current downtown will want to allow for change. And certainly it will not happen overnight. You are talking several years at an absolute minimum.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
The powers that formed the current downtown are still in there.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 6:48pm.secret code
Submitted by IFerguson on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 6:58pm.It really doesn't matter, and it's not worth getting into.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 7:10pm.the market
Submitted by ronnie on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 9:32pm.Is it?
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 9:42pm.I guess advertising has no say on the matter. I mean, people can't be convinced of new desires or anything...you must be right...desire to buy things must be an a priori trait of human existence. Seriously, the incessant negative press around downtown Olympia combined with the piss-poor civic management regarding our youth provided by past city leaders casts a pretty dark cloud over downtown Olympia. There's a new youth center downtown, that's a good start. And Mathias' hard work on the First Fridays in downtown is an excellent thing for downtown. Now if we could only get the people who spend so much time bad mouthing downtown to invest a little positive energy into the place...
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
It's all in how you spin it baby...
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 9:47pm.A good ad campaign can do wonders, but it does help to have some solid ground to work with.
I sell things. I sell lots of what I sell. Some hate what I have, others love it, many are indifferent. It's not the first two people I am interested in. The haters won't buy and the lovers will throw themselves at me for it. But the indifferent, unsure and curious... give me those people and I'll make believers out of enough of them, or at least convince them to give an honest shot at it...
Give me a core, a bit of truth, something to work with and I'll sell anything I believe in. I think downtown already has that, it just needs a good spin doctor.
After that, the consumers will make their likes/dislikes known and things will change accordingly.
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
precisely!
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 10:05pm.Give me a core, a bit of truth, something to work with and I'll sell anything I believe in. I think downtown already has that, it just needs a good spin doctor.
As an Oly neophyte this is precisely what kills me about our city's management. I don't know if it's because I was raised around the "fine" arts or because of my poetry habit, but I find myself particularly sensitive to the presence of people consumed by process, and Olympia is filled with them. The concentration of artistic talent in this city, especially given its size, is off the charts. Last year I sent out several e-mails to our council members suggesting they start a citywide promotion for downtown Olympia with the help of its artists. I was told that they had an advertising campaign underway and that they had recently purchased flowers for the sidewalks.
Both Mathias and Rob are absolutely right, we as Olympians need to make our city incredible because the people who have been paid to do it seem to be firmly stuck inside of a box. This is what I want people to use OlyBlog for, to help us work together to maximize our talents and create a vibrant, unique and humane model for other communities to see.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Ronnie: no, it's not that simple.
Submitted by einmaleins on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 10:38am.consumer
Submitted by ronnie on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 11:40am.well said!
Submitted by einmaleins on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 12:34pm.But I want to point out, that behind every business is a person.
And it's always very easy to hide behind the invisibility cloak of a computer screen and criticize people's decisions.
But when you meet the people, and hear their ideas behind it, they might not be so far off.
Yes, it does take a good business plan, lots of cash, a great marketing strategy and most of all a great product.
But as a community it's always important to not forget that people put their heart out there and in good faith risked alot.
Where are the posts, saying that they are sorry for those businesses, or the people that offer support.
We all can point fingers at each other and say told-you-so, but that creates an hostile, unfriendly community and that might just be the thing that Rob calls "the powers" over Olympia.
mathias
einmaleins
be careful
Submitted by ronnie on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 12:08am.it's up to us
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 12:17am.If we as a community foster a value of a community then the big box stores would be antithetical to that value system and would fail. Taco Del Mar couldn't cut it in downtown Oly for precisely this reason. I am shocked Starbucks not only survives but seems to thrive here given the high density of specialty coffee roasting companies in one city. I don't think a city's status as a unique destination and affordability are mutually exclusive states, especially when both Seattle and Portland are so near by and accessible.
Edit: I was living in my Minneapolis past and accidentally wrote "Burrito Loco" instead of Taco Del Mar. Fortunately I live with somebody who helps me look not so dumb.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
agree
Submitted by ktk on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 11:08am.word
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 11:34am."Downtown needs a spark"The
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 2:06pm."Downtown needs a spark"
The above quote is from John Diamant, owner of Jing Jing's Art and Antiques. He and his wife will be closing their business at 207 4th Ave E. just as soon as they find a tenant.
I tend to agree with John. Downtown is pretty bland. Other than a handful of bars/music venues and the guitar shop, there's really nothing for me.
Two businesses to close doors [The Olympian, South Sound, 3/9/2008]
spark
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 2:16pm.I agree - it would be a
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 2:18pm.the more the better
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 2:31pm.This inspires another idea: Imagine the possibility of an overall and great ecological remediation effort - while still allowing downtown to function normally...
The original idea that I am proposing is for a natural area on the isthmus between Capitol Lake and Budd Inlet (the area from West of Water Street to the Bridges).
I would like to see the isthmus developed into an open natural area that would serve multiple purposes: ecological, recreational, educational, and also as a focal point to stimulate interest in downtown, etc..
It was me.
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 9:57pm.Thanks. I agree. The location would be great.
Thank you.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 10:34pm.Thank you.
I like downtown the way it is
Submitted by OlyDowntowner on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:34am.Hmmm
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:40am.An exclusive downtown? I'm thinking most here want an inclusive downtown. Downtown SHOULD be for everybody.
I like the slightly "worn out"
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:42am.feel of downtown. It's one reason I decided to stay here. Downtown is comfortable, kinda like a well broken in shoe. That said, I would love to see the empty spaces filled with eclectic and local shops.
"Pathetic humans! Prepare to write down the recipe!"--- Morbo
Absolutely
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 11:37am.That said, I would love to see the empty spaces filled with eclectic and local shops.
In fact, this is one area I would really like to see our city/county move on. There's a now tried and true method of large chain stores demanding and receiving concessions for the supply of low wage jobs and low cost goods they're able to bring to communities. I would like to see a proactive movement on the part of our city to encourage local entrepreneurship in our downtown by providing concessions to people who live in Olympia and open a business in the downtown core. We don't need to help the rich get richer, we do need to help our community be more sustainable.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Good idea
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 11:44am.Personally I would like to see some steps taken to encourage local ownership of some of the empty buildings for sale downtown. Maybe waive taxes for a year or something it if is occupied with a local business.
"Pathetic humans! Prepare to write down the recipe!"--- Morbo
seriously
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 12:00pm.There's a bunch of complaining about our city not fixing up downtown, or letting it go, but the +17% vacancy rates downtown are something the property owners are allowing. This is why I want to find a source for comparing average price per sq. foot in Olympia versus other downtown cores. I already know our vacancy rates are higher than anywhere in Pierce County, what I want to know is why. I'd also like to find out what percentage of the vacant spaces are owned by out of town businesses whose primary interest in Olympia is maximizing their profit.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
There are plenty of strip malls already
Submitted by OlyDowntowner on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:50am.Downtown Needs a Natural Area
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 2:15pm.I am of the opinion that what the Downtown area of Olympia needs is a truly novel feature that would inspire civic pride and further participation, economic and otherwise, in the downtown sector.
Just imagine a beautiful open natural area juxtaposed with a dense, vibrant and colorful urban core. The contrast would be so awesome. Okay, imagine that the area to the West of Water street is an ecological, natural, open area... It would help further downtown as a destination. It would set an example of our dependence on wilderness; it would serve a recreational, as well as an educational function.
It would increase interest in the downtown sector, and subsequently it would increase business!
How about,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 3:17pm.Daylighting Moxlie Creek
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 3:27pm.Values driven consumerism
Submitted by Chia on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 2:25pm.I feel that I have to go all the way to Seattle to find businesses that share my values. It would be great to have more animal friendly businesses in Oly. When I make a purchase at a business in which the owner implies a social justice/eco-friendly orientation only to find out later that they wear/sell leather or eat/serve meat, neither of which are sustainable...it makes me never want to go back.
You don't just have to lure people into your business, you have to appeal to them enough to draw them back in. There's a niche for animal rights in Oly, it's being called the next great social justice movement, and most businesses here are missing the boat.
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Hi,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 3:16pm.A noble goal
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:02pm.I know I do a lot of the same thing myself although with different standards. However I am curious if the market exists for what you are seeking? It takes a lot of time and money to operate a business, and for one to operate at the extreme you as a consumer demand, I am not sure there are enough people in this town to make such a business sustainable. That is why you have to go to Seattle. More people.
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
I don't think that the
Submitted by Chia on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:13pm.I don't think that the number of people here has nearly as much to do with it as does the number of people dedicated to maintaining a high degree of openness to change toward a more compassionate and sustainable way of being and their willingness to be loyal to their values to the extent to attempt to influence their friends and neighbors to do the same :)
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Go rent a building then :-)
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:22pm.I'll help you market it, if you open a business!
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
Thanks!!
Submitted by Chia on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:52pm.I think I'm much too introverted to be an effective businessperson. Takes a very special set of skills and a people oriented personality. Don't get me wrong, I like people...I just am not as fond of interaction as an extrovert might be :)
Sunny Tree is vegetarian if you'd like to give them a try. Very values oriented, kind people.
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Where is Sunny Tree
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:55pm.and will they throw me out if I come in packing as is per my custom and habit?
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
Sunny Tree
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Not too far from home then...
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 6:03pm.Thanks! I may wander that way this weekend (Monday and Tuesday for me...)
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
Good Exercise...
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
You BUY seaweed?
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 6:10pm.I'm confused. :-p I have some on the bottom of Libertarian you are welcome to harvest whenever you want.. :-) I harvested some seaweed once and dried it. It's tasty stuff. Best way I have ever found to get gobs of the stuff is to put down your anchor late at night after a long sail, and then have to break it up real early to catch the outgoing tide... Oh, it helps if a strong wind is blowing :-)
Danforth anchors make excellent seaweed harvesting tools....
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
Animal Friendly Practices
Submitted by Chia on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:03pm.By animal friendly I mean to not profit from the suffering of animals and even to offer products/services that allow for the avoidance of participating in practices that exploit animals. An example would be the window display at Radiance...they're displaying not only works that offer alternatives to animal exploitation, but that empower women by treating experts in nutrition as authorities in the matter rather than solely stocking and consulting works by white males who seem invested mostly in protecting their oppressors privilege. The book that Radiance is displaying which encourages me the most is called Becoming Vegan and it is written by the authors of the American Dietetic Associations Position Paper on Vegetarian Diets. Go Radiance! I want to skip and cheer each time I walk by :)
Examples of animal rights oriented restaurants in Seattle are the Hillside Quickies chain (wonderful, future oriented business sense there!), Pizza Pi, which was starting to fold but for which values driven folks picked up the hand to play again...same thing is happening with The Globe because of the outcry from the veggie community when it closed. People believe in the values behind these businesses and the concepts are fresh and unique so that they fill a distinctive niche in the market. It's not the same, tired, mainstream, privilege protecting stuff. These businesses are change oriented!
How many restaurants that profit from the death and dismemberment of animals does Olympia need anyway? Why are animal rights oriented people expected to "look the other way" as their table neighbors engage in behaviors that we consider to be exploitive and unnecessarily so? I'd rather ride a bus to Seattle than be expected to normalize violence against animals.
Hillside Quickie
Pizza Pi as reviewed by Happy Cow (the store site must be temporarily down.)
Thank you for asking, Rob.
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Thank you for answering.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:31pm.Personally
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:34pm.I find your willingness to dismiss white males so readily as offensive.
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
Let's not have this discussion in this thread.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:41pm.Also, Chia, can we move our conversation to a new thread so that we can keep talking about downtown here?
Sure.
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
On downtown.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 5:48pm.What do people think?
I'm in!
Submitted by einmaleins on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 6:10pm.I think it sounds like a great idea
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 9:37pm.My availability, however, is extremely limited and is non-existent for meeting anywhere but at places set up for kids (like a park) during daylight hours.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
My schedule is like Gumby.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 9:38pm.can't
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 9:57pm.That's about when I start preparing dinner.
Edit: Traditions is good though. Mondays are pretty much spoken for with kid activities. Tuesdays around 10am would work for me. Wednesdays same as Tuesday. Thursday and Friday are no goes as well.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Like I said, I'm like Gumby.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 10:28pm.yeah me too
Submitted by einmaleins on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:00am.So,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:06am.Tuesdays 10am @ einmaleins
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 11:39am.That works for us. And tomorrow works if Mathias is willing to host on such short notice.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Downtown needs...
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 2:17pm....a coalition of willing folks to help realize a vision for a community "day-use" spa & wellness center.
I'm seeing this on Capital Lake, where the old lavatory (across from Traditions).
I see a place for folks to catch a shower and be able to do laundry that is affordable, and also a site for wellness and spa.
The site would elevate folks (simple as that), give social service a place to accomodate "day-use" of facilities for folks that need services such as shower, lavatory, and >maybe< laundry...
...as well as a destination for bicyclists on the morning commute (locker & shower), a place for yoga, and a spa for wellness (soaking, sauna, massage), and maybe even lease sites for practioners?
any thoughts?