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Submitted by Chia on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 9:25am.

If you want to understand the passion for compassion in the movement for animal justice, the depth of the effect of speciesism in our culture, and the connection between speciesism, sexism, and racism, see Earthlings which will be showing tonight at Capitol Theater.

Don't miss it!

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Very disturbing

This movie was deeply disturbing. My companion and I had to leave. The introduction was nice, with some great animal photography, but the seemingly endless scenes of brutality were very distressing.
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Thank you so much for going!

I agree that animal's reality in a human dominant world is very traumatic to witness. Knowing such things motivates me to do what I can to alleviate that violence and suffering and I hope that it will do the same for others.


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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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Yes, very disturbing movie

We made it for about 30 minutes, then we had to get up and walk away.  I wonder if the film ever backed off from the horror that was being shown for the last few minutes we were watching, but we couldn't stand to wait and see if it ever gave any relief. 

I was hoping for something more persuasive and the film started that way.  The mistreatment, which really amounted to unintentional torture was not something I could sit and watch.   

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The trailer I saw had some

The trailer I saw had some really beautiful animal photography and the film started out that way. I felt strange about leaving before it was over (we left after the "pets" section, during the "food" section), but my companion pointed out that it was only going to get worse during the "medical research" section which was sure to be coming up.
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And Thank You for attending, too!

I'm curious about how it could have been more persuasive to you? :)

I think the majority of people just don't know the grievous consequences of our choices and actions and to be shown in very direct and clear terms exactly what those consequences are is one of the most persuasive motivators to change for me.




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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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Hmmm...

I think if the film had shown more of the beautiful images of animals that were enjoyable to watch, and less of the brutal images of animal torture, we would have stayed and heard more of the message. The images of animals being slaughtered were persuasive, there's no question about that, but it just became unbearable for us.
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Thank you for the feedback.

Do you think that the images of animal reality make the film less likely to inspire change in human behaviors that cause the suffering?


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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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No, I think they are effective

In fact, last night the friend with whom I saw the movie (or, actually, part of the movie)and I were talking about becoming vegetarians, although we are nearly so already. I think it's a fine line, though, in creating a message that's effective without being so overwhelming that people just have to escape from it.

But I think the film is definitely inspiring, and we have changed our behavior because of it.

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It was very overwhelming, indeed.

Thank you for your sensitivity to the experience of the sentient beings on the screen. Please let me know if I can be of assistance.


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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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Transcript

The screenplay/transcript of the movie is online here.
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That's great...Thanks!

It's a good source of information and statistics.


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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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I didn’t see the movie, but the screenplay

pretty much spells it out in enough detail for me, even though there were some inaccuracies.

I don’t like animals to suffer.  If we are to harvest them for food or clothing, we need to kill them quickly and painlessly.  If we use them for medical experiments they need to be medicated so they don’t feel pain or suffer.  There is a need for change in how we deal with animals in the corporate world.

 

 

As for hunting, in most cases the animal is killed rather quickly.  Yes, sometimes things go amiss and it is a slower death.  But most of the time, their death is quicker and more painless than if they are killed as natural prey.  Most of us have seen prey vs predator movies, and it isn’t pretty, and usually it’s far from quick.  So if I shoot an elk or a cougar kills an elk, the elk is dead.  The animal rights movement isn’t going to stop death and suffering of animals. Tthat will continue if we all became vegans tomorrow.  Also, wildlife management provides for less suffering from starvation, over-predation, and also issues arising from loss of habitat.  A deer being shot by a hunter is a lot more humane and easier to see than a deer starving to death.

 

 

I wonder how many people are moved by the movie to stop eating meat, and wearing leather, etc. yet are in support of a “woman’s right to choose”?  Or worse yet, how many opposed the partial birth abortion ban, like Obama?  Killing a fully viable human being by cutting through the base of the neck and skull and sucking it’s brains out is pretty disturbing too.  We have this movement in this country to elevate the animal's right to live to a human level, all the time we are killing our own young.  Seems to be a bit of societal disconnect somewhere to me.      

"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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I don't think the movement aims to end all animal suffering

Suffering is a nutural part of life. The aim is to reduce the suffering that is caused by humans. The fact that there are other moral issues to deal with, like abortion, is not relevant.

Edit: what I mean is, it makes as much sense to ask "Well, now that they've seen this film, how do they feel about the occupaiton of Iraq, or euthanasia, or etc...?"  You do not need to answer those questions for the film to have merit regarding animal cruelty and exploitation.

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A bit histrionic, are we?

"Killing a fully viable human being by cutting through the base of the neck and skull and sucking it’s [sic] brains out is pretty disturbing too."

And yet you oppose the pill as well, if I recall, because there is a chance that very very occasionally a fertilized egg fails to implant. I don't believe that a fertilized human egg experiences a huge amount of suffering when it is expelled from another human body without implanting.

Believe it or not, people can support a woman's right to choose without endorsing the brutal death of a "fully viable" human being, or any sort of brain-sucking procedures.

Update: I just realized, about 15 minutes after posting this, that I got sucked into the high-jacking of this thread, by someone who hasn't even seen the movie. I am so sorry I took the bait. I guess it's not appropriate to delete my comment, according to the social contract? Too bad.  But in any case, sorry, Chia and everyone else, for participating in this off-topic digression.  No more!

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No Worries!




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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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Thank You..

for reading the screenplay. I hope others do the same.


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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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I get your point,

and your analogy is more off the mark than my question. But there is relevance from the stand point that a peaceful and civilized society would likely not kill animals or execute its prisoners, and certainly wouldn't kill their young.

I don't want to change this thread into an abortion discussion, Lord knows it will make the 100 club if it does. I just think, for some, their priorities are a bit skewed.

"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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Agreed...let's not aim for the 100 club by such simple means

But one could argue, as I think the film (and the movement does) that all oppression (speceism, sexism, nationalism, racism, fetusism, etc) is linked. So an increased awareness about one is bound to have some infuence on others. As for priorities, well, we're all a bit skewed.
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Priorities are skewed for many

For instance, those who think a fertilized egg suffers if it doesn't implant, but who have no compunction about shooting an animal. The suffering of the fertilized human egg somehow "counts," but not the suffering of the fully sentient animal? Skewed priorities, no question.
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Here is an equally graphic

Here is an equally graphic but much more positively inspiring argument for animal rights. Although I appreciate the opportunity for interspecies communication, I wonder if she'd be happier in the wild.

So much for the prehensile-thumb envy theory!




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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
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