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Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 12:53pm.

All are welcome to post and discuss this issue.

The following is a list of bullet points from Mike Huckabee, GOP candidate for President of the United States of America, who recently won the Iowa caucus:

  • The First Amendment requires that expressions of faith be neither prohibited nor preferred.
  • My faith is my life - it defines me. I don't separate my faith from my personal and professional lives.
  • Real faith makes us more humble and mindful, not of the faults of others, but of our own. It makes us less judgmental, as we see others with the same frailties we have.
  • Faith gives us strength in the face of injustice and motivates us to do our best for "the least of us."
  • Our nation was birthed in a spirit of faith - not a prescriptive faith telling us how or whether to believe, but acknowledging a providence that pervades our world.

I agree with Huckabee on point 1. 

On point 2, we start to disagree.  I DO separate my philosophical viewpoints from my professional life.  For me to push the influence of my secular humanist viewpoint on an Evangelical Christian in a business atmosphere would be inappropriate, in my opinion, thus I expect the same in return from an elected official.

Point 3 - Huckabee's language leaves me cold.  He appears to be telling us that he is privvy to "real faith", thus the alleged humility becomes somewhat hypocritical, as I see it.  I find anyone talking about "real faith" and "less judgemental" in the same sentence, to have not thought it through well enough.

Point 4 - Faith and injustice are great buzz words, but I don't see the Republican Party, for whom Huckabee represents, being the poster children for helping the less fortunate.  Actions, not words.

Point 5 - If Huckabee is true to his word on non-perscriptive faith and truly will represent ALL of Americans, I would expect him to inject "Allah" into his next public prayer.

Politically - Huckabee did well in Iowa, as I would expect of an self avowed Evangelical candidate in a Conservative heartland state.  Religion is a fundamental issue in those areas, thus the showing by Guiliani.  I'm wondering if Huckabee will be a one hit wonder, or will he be able to cross over to the more secular parts of the citizenry.

I'm very interested in making this thread a place for open discussion of this or other candidates, so let's contribute and educate each other.

Thanks - LH

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Point 5 - If Huckabee is

Point 5 - If Huckabee is true to his word on non-perscriptive faith and truly will represent ALL of Americans, I would expect him to inject "Allah" into his next public prayer.

He doesn't need to state "Allah" or even "God".

He can simply use "Divine Providence," "Creator," or "Nature's God."

All three are used in the Declaration of Independence.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the president - or any elected official, for that matter - acknowledging this country seeks blessing and help from the Creator.

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Can't say I totally disagree...

Well stated

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Perhaps you misunderstand or

Perhaps you misunderstand or misinterpret Point 3. The idea of Faith is that people are not capable of making it on their own; any Positive happenings are solely from the Grace of God (afterall, someone else could work equally hard, be equally kindhearted, and yet be hit with disaster after disaster.)

From a Christian viewpoint not one human is good enough; not even Billy Graham or Mother Theresa or Barb O'Neill. The purest-hearted human is not good enough, we're all corrupted from Original Sin. Not one secular thing we do can absolve us. The whole point of Christianity is that, despite the fact we're worthless, Christ thought we were worth it for Him to pay our debt for us.

I don't know enough of Huckabee to have an opinion one way or the other; perhaps his talk of faith is merely blowing smoke, maybe not. If he's serious about point 3 I find it a very humble statement. He's saying "I can't judge you, because I'm not better than you. In fact, if you're low-down to the ground I am too." When he refers to "real faith" he's merely separating what he means from what someone like Bob Schuyler with his Crystal Cathedral, or any of the numerous charlatans with their luxery cars and silk suits means.

I've never been a Bible thumper, I just call it as It's written.

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Maybe the operative word isn't "real"

Although, that IS the way I interpret the statement.

As a former practicing Christian and now secular humanist, I find that Evangelicals have a tendency to talk about "real" faith and "real" Christianity, on and on et al.  It becomes a rather ambiguous qualifying word that gets tossed around like so many leaves in the wind.

You're right, though, Merw, I could be micromanaging the content there.

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I understood where you were

I understood where you were coming from, I should've been more clear on that.

On one side you have "Real Christians" who point to the exact verses to preach that people who aren't like them are destined for Hell; meanwhile on the other side you have "Real Christians" remembering it's not their place to judge anyone and who remember that Christ's final command was "Love as I have loved"

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