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Submitted by Norm on Wed, 05/30/2007 - 10:10pm.
So tonight I finally sat down and watched it. I went in with low hopes for it, this is Al Gore afterall. Initially I started watching the movie while playing a video game. I like to be entertained when I watch a movie, I've never been into documentaries, so I figured I'd scan back and forth while playing KotOR on the pc....after 15 minutes into it I turned off my pc. Al presented himself well, was funny, was informative, he was entertaining. The information was clear, it was concise, it was scary. Do I think there's a possibility for exaggeration? Maybe, but even if it is exaggerated you have to wonder: Why? and even if you found the "Why?", what exactly are you harming by trying to change the energy consumption of your fellow man? Although the movie flowed quite well, there were a few parts that I think didn't seem to belong. Hearing about Al's family was interesting, but at times didn't seem to fit with the movie. Some of his "political" ramblings didn't seem like they were in good taste either. If you want to win over a conservative...or quasi-conservative...don't go into the politics. As a middle-grounder I wasn't offended, but I did notice and wondered if he thought about that one. This is an all encompassing issue, less politics, more moral. He mentioned that in the movie and he needs to win over some red folks. Convince a few red folk and you may see the political scale tip. As it stands I walked away impressed. If Al were running for president this next go round, I would vote for him at this point. I'd write him lots of letters concerning issues that we disagree on, but I think "globally" he has a good thought process. We need need to sign on with Kyoto. We REALLY need to improve our emission standards. Of course this may never come to pass because ford and chevy both seem to be hitting crapville and everyone is buying toyotas and hondas. I "think" the auto industry is starting to catch on. It still needs to get better though, and the ability is there, just not the desire. The people need to change that. So those are my thoughts, feel free to leave a comment, ask a question, whatever you want. I'm kind of caught between feeling good about seeing this, and hooking a few people up to watch it also, and scared that we are screwed and the world won't change in time.
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Good job
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 5:31am.Word.
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 6:11am.When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Better dead than...
Submitted by Phil Owen on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 4:01pm.Convince a few red folk and you may see the political scale tip.
Man... I really miss the days when being "red" meant something totally different.
Really good post, Norm.
The Canaanite's Call
Hey Normy
Submitted by OlyCop on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 5:22pm.How's my softer and gentler conservative?
Well I'm still in que at the library, 141. So given it has taken about 40 days to change position on the list from 180 to 141, I won't have to look at Uncle Albert's composition for about 5 months.
Look forward to my review my fellow bloggers.
My good buddy Normy is a bit confused. He is still trying to find his conservativism. For a home grown boy in this area to find his conservative side is like looking for gold in a silver mine, to quote the country song.
Hey Norm, did Uncle Albert answer the solar cycle issue? If so, I'm sure he debunked it, but just curious if he addressed it at all.
So far the solar cycle science makes far more sense than the carbon foot print issue.
"I did what I was told to as well as I could." Simo Häyhä
Yeah
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 7:29pm.I do sometimes have a rough time channeling my inner Reagan.
Really you have to see it OC. I can explain it and I may even do a decent job but I really think you should put in the 1.5 hours. If you don't feel like waiting for the library I'll even lend you my netflix copy.
The biggest thing for me was the charts depicting the last 600 million years and the correlation between temperature (ice ages included obviously) and the amount of crap in the atmosphere. The charts match up really quite well, with the temperature falling a few years behind the crap chart. The crap chart, currently, was OFF the charts....way off. Everything before the 50's or so was pretty steady, things are changing now. Al also said that there were no scientific studies refuting global warming...that was my maybe in the above review. I wonder if there are a few out there that just don't meet the exact criteria to make it into the list. I'm not sure, but either way it's pretty scary.
It's also scary that we are so far behind everyone else in the world in regards to emissions standards. For crying out loud we are behind CHINA! We should be leading the pack in this area, and we don't because we have too many oil company execs in this country making lots of money.
Even if Al is wrong, we are better off striving to do better and being wrong than doing an endless field study to make sure we are right and trying to invest in SPF 10,000 sunscreen 50 years from now.
Hi OlyCop. Remember, keep an
Submitted by stevenl on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 7:33pm.Cranky old man,
Submitted by OlyCop on Fri, 06/01/2007 - 5:21am.pretty much sums it up when it comes to this topic and the attitudes of those convinced they have it all figured out.
Yes I will keep an open mind. Since Normy rated it ok, it sounds like it may not be pure torture to watch.
Thanks for the offer to buy and deliver a copy to me, but I can wait. And I'm sure you have better things to spend your money on. It seems that you are a kind, cranky old man.
Normy, before you decide to melt down your guns, you can give them to me. I will be sure to take care of them and find them good homes.
"I did what I was told to as well as I could." Simo Häyhä
Don't worry OC
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 8:10pm.solar cycle & periodicity (sp?)
Submitted by chad360 on Fri, 06/01/2007 - 4:26pm.Hola All, and thanks for the review Norm (Olyblog needs a netflix que & sharing circle!)--
OC-- "For a home grown boy in this area to find his conservative side is like looking for gold in a silver mine, to quote the country song."
Oh come on now OC, is it really that bad? what does this mythical state of "being conservative" entail, perhaps I'm one as well?
I'd like to know if being conservative is really a POV, a division of labor/gender-choice issue (traditional fams & all that), or mostly economic rhetoric.
I assume conservative does not mean "business as usual", but I'd like to know "what guns you stick by"
Any thought?
Great Article in the June issue of Harper's about this
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 06/01/2007 - 11:09am.Basically, Keizer says that if we get a democratic executive next, that the new administration will use the same demagoguery of the current one to appeal to the need to address climate issues, with little regard for the impacts on the poor.
The issue will ultimately be addressed by forcing human societies to make severe sacrifices. And the brunt of these sacrifices will likely be borne not by the ruling class, but by societies nonadvantaged.
In the Course of Events
Class & Climate
Submitted by chad360 on Fri, 06/01/2007 - 4:34pm.Class is a useless term and perpetutaues the rhetoric of sterotyping--
Who "pays" for natural diasters?
The rhetoric of "haves vs have-nots" is useless, and only draws lines between folks--
Who is "paying" for Katrina? Is this really a class issue as you put it?
As an aside, if the all-powerful global elite ruling class cannot effect change, what do the "nonadvantaged" have to offer and what do they have to lose (since they have nothing now)?
--don't get my wrong, if capitaism fails I'll dance, but class is not the issue, concumption is, and we all consume (alot!)