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Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:42am.
As LOCAL discussion blog was closed before I got a chance to respond to something. "there is no comparison, the Quran is way worse. But don't take anybody's word for it, read the damn thing. Make your own direct comparison. The only way you will know what the Quran is about is by reading it. Eveybody that writes a book about Islam and the Quran has their own biases and puts their spin on it."
JT - first, you admitted in another post that you had not read the Quran, therefore challenging me to read it is strawman at best. My comparison of what I have read is that almost all religious material is the same - other than the names were changed to protect the dogma. For instance, are you aware that there are several "virgin births' in religious history? This is but one example of the point. Everyone has complete knowledge of God's will for those that don't follow the laws they way their god says so. This type of conversation take place in churches all over Olympia every Sunday and many Wednesdays. It divides our community.
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I'm not sure how the conversations at
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 12:29pm.Now, attitudes like some of those expressed right here on Olyblog and by folks like the Taliban are deeply devisive. Unfortunately, religion is too easily hijacked by fear and ignorance.
Mostly ignorance....
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 12:35pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
a thought experiment
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 12:56pm.If a 35 year old Shii read The Bible and began criticizing both its doctrines and the people who silently follow many aspects of them, would you say that that person is ignorant or knowledgeable about the subject under criticism?
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Depends on the criticism doesn't it. I would certainly have the
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 1:43pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
nt
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 1:51pm.Didn't you just engage? Why bother with the post at all?
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:16pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Awww...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:34pm.That's a pretty thin distinction, Gug.
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 11:18am.Is it a little too politically incorrect to suggest that the material we post and promote reflects who we are? Are there no bigots behind the material at sites like thereligionofpeace.com, only bigoted material that somehow collects there?
I think it is one thing to object to a posting that assumes a lot of bigotry that is part of the mainstream understanding - for instance, the notion that an indigenous person might not be capable of expressing a sophisticated philosophical point of view about the world - where the bigotry is unintentional, simply so rooted in common understanding that it is a given, as opposed to responding to bigotry that is not quite so deeply rooted in the common discourse - like muslims are inherently less capable of a peaceful approach to geopolitics than christians (it's a preposterous notion, if you review the historical record, but there you are, it's a pretty common meme out there today) - where the bigotry appears to be more intentional.
Do you follow? Nobody likes to be called a bigot, but maybe bigotry exists around us and through us each day. Maybe many of us are intentional or unintentional bigots on a regular basis.
Is it useful to call a person out when they are expressing a bigoted position and to ask them to review if they want to further the bigotry in the world by being an intentional or unintentional bigot? I think the answer to that question is yes. I think it is possible to elevate the conversation when we ask each other not to be bigots or to take personal responsibility when something we post is essentially bigoted. It is an opportunity to expand our consciousness of bigotry, but it is also an opportunity to sputter and get all excited because no one likes to be called a bigot.
I never suggested that
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 12:20pm."...an indigenous person might not be capable of expressing a sophisticated philosophical point of view about the world." Never. That is your own troubling projection at work.
I have a low tolerance for bad scholarship...and projection.
somebody is wrong on the internet
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 1:15pm.somebody hit the siren. Calling folks on their bigotry, intentional or otherwise is likely to turn up the heat and a lot of defensiveness.
Some of us are defensive about being called bigots
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 1:23pm.another unanswered question
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 1:59pm.No it does not depend on the criticism. Would you classify such a person to be knowledgeable or ignorant about the Bible and its teachings?
I asked for somebody Christian to disprove the Qur'an without using another belief as evidence. You seemed to step up to the plate, but then you disappeared back into the dugout. I asked you to show me where in the Bible Jesus tells people they are capable of judging what is truly good and evil within Yahweh's dominion? Crickets and a cloudless night sky.
See I am not afraid to have the discussion, or hear the other side.
You type that, but your actions are speaking louder than your words.
How about you? You willing to have that discussion?
Waiting for you to come around is getting old.
Or would you rather just call names pretend it is all about hate and stick your fingers in your ears?
As long as you maintain that silence is implied acceptance of extremist Islam then I will not object to other people holding your beliefs as bigoted.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
It depends on the criticism.
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:15pm.Do they have any kind of information to support their claim? What is the claim. Is there something that would support the opposite in the Bible that would render the claim untrue, partly true, or would I have to agree? It depends. Is the claim just silly and not supported? Then I guess I would say it was un-knowledgeable. It depends on the criticism.
As for your evidence, I don't have a ton of time as I did a few weeks ago, so I am on much less than I was. I can prove the Koran is full of calls to anger, hate, and calls to violence. I don't think anyone can disprove faith. You can expose every UFO sighting as a hoax or something natural and explainable, but that would not mean people would stop beleiving that there are superior intelligences out there.
My actions demonstrate a recent change in my life that limits my free time to blog here. Not much more. The discussion need to be more than you changing the subject every five seconds. Maybe I overstepped my suggestion about disproving Islam, as I just said, I can't disprove faith. I can how ever show Islam for what it says and what its belivers do.
If I met you on the street, and in the course of a conversation you did not condemn Islamic terror, I would not think you are implicitly condoning terror. If the specific subject comes up and someone offers very specific examples of why they think what they do, and you in turn, claim that it is simply untrue, or as Mr. Whitlock pointed out, doesn't bother to find out for himself, I think a very clear link between acceptence and terror can be made. Particularly when it comes to the Palestinian terror inflicted on the Israeli's.
I am sorry but that simply is not bigoted, and I have every belief that you know better. The problem is you don't have the will to do the right thing and reject Gug calling me a bigot. If I had said that, I am sure I would have been force to wrtie three articles bla bla bla, but if a docent does it, or behaves in this manner it is permissable, but that is another discussion.
So, is that a little clearer for you? Sorry for the confusion.
C.
Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
round the round the round
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:32pm.would you say that that person is ignorant or knowledgeable about the subject under criticism?
There was my question. Is the person ignorant or knowledgeable about the Bible? Is the person knowledgeable about the teachings based off of the Bible? The various interpretations and schools of thought?
I don't think anyone can disprove faith.
Thus the problem of intelligent design arguments.
If the specific subject comes up and someone offers very specific examples of why they think what they do, and you in turn, claim that it is simply untrue, or as Mr. Whitlock pointed out, doesn't bother to find out for himself, I think a very clear link between acceptance and terror can be made.
I said for their silence, not for what is explicitly stated. This is a big problem for me with a lot of your discourse on OlyBlog, not only do you sometimes misconstrue what I (for one) write but you use those opportunities as a diving board for making accusations and bringing other people into it.
I think a very clear link between acceptance and terror can be made.
Do you have the evidence supporting this claim? Hard stuff, not the faith stuff.
Again (and don't go miscontruein' me gin'here?): as long as you reason on people's guilt based on evidence of silence I will stand aside while others refer to your ideas as bigoted.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
How can I judge the knowledge of the person with out knowing the
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:48pm.question? How could I possibly know that? Round and round. Please.
I think when a place like Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia is so closely associated with acts of terror, the people have a duty to reject that terror. People should not only be rejecting the launching of rockets into innocent homes killing people, they have a duty to report the people doing it to the police, or government. Silence is wrong when it comes to this. A corporation is dumping toxic waste into Black lake, I have a duty to report it. Being silent is morally wrong. How much more clear can I make it?
Also, I said implictly not explicitly. I am not sure you caught on to that.
If you personally know or have knowledge of who committed the arson of the house or houses on the "Street of Dreams" and you remain silent, you are guilty. Saying that I believe you are 'guilty' of what amount to a moral error is not bigoted. Gug is wrong. You are wrong. Again if societies and culture don't condemn terror they are making a very clear error. Mr. Whitlock's support of the Palestinian cause and justifications for their violence is wrong. To discuss it and not say 'hey that is wrong!' is also an error. To sit by in silence is wrong. It should be condemned at every turn.
C.
P.S. Acceptance and terror, Go talk to Mr. Whitlock. He belives that it is justified, because the people of Palestine are driven to terror by the Western Interests in the region. Don't believe me? Ask him.
Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Hey! You're wrong!
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:51pm.I repudiate any violence that is not a last resort
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 3:19pm.Palestinian, Israeli, or American. Kind of goes without saying for me. Don't feel like I need to pass your peculiar test. Oh, and to understand why some people resort to violence does not mean you justify it.
Let there be no compulsion in religion... Qur'an 2:256
You're Midas of the Misconstrue Touch
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 2:59pm.And I don't have any more time for trying to actually get you to converse.
Last I spoke with Mr. Whitlock on that subject he made it pretty apparent that he can empathize with, or understand the anger behind what drives some Palestinians to attack Israel. Since you're making the accusation it is up to you to prove it, and since it is a grave accusation I move for your removal from the OlyBlog for continued misquoting.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Here is one quote from Mr. Whitlock.
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:12am.The honest truth is that Israel is an immensely more powerful state than Palestine. Israel, not Palestine, holds the power to de-escalate. The Palestinian people in the Gaza strip are fighting for their lives as Israel closes the border and refuses passage of medical supplies, fuel and food. It's a humanitarian crisis and a violation of human rights.
They are killing innocent men, women, and children. They indiscriminately launch rockets into homes, attack with suicide bombers, and target innocents. THis is not fighting for their lives, it is terror. Here we see Mr. Whitlock making a justification.
Misquote? Please.
Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Here is another quote
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:18am.It's sad to read your words Chris. I don't think that they're true.
What you fail to recognize is that violent Zionism is a threat to the existence of Palestinians.
Palestinians have just as much right to exist as Israelis. Yet they're subjected to virtual concentration camps.
The problem is the violent Israeli Zionist nationalism. I wouldn't object to Zionism if it was altruistic and nonviolent. The problem is that Zionism is killing Palestinians.
Here Mr. Whitlock justifies again the terror employed by the terrorists. He believes that Israel is out to eliminate them, or put them in concentration camps. Strange though that the wall is meant to keep terrorists out, not in, and it is Islamic Radicals who regularly swear to eliminate Israel, and that the holocaust was a hoax.
He goes on to try to temper his words that violence is bad, but he has already made his justifications for it.
C.
Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Larry,
Submitted by JT on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 12:50pm.let it go my friend.
As for the Quran, I didn't say I hadn't read it, I said I am reading it, skimmed much of it over the years, but now working my way through it.
"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
JT....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 6:51am.Sometimes you can be the master of the semantics nuance.
A direct question - how can you avoid the anger, jealousy, vengance and other characteristics of the God of The Bible and be so quick to judge the writings of the Quran. Think for a moment of the hideous game of the story of Job, played out by Satan and God, who appear to be one and the same in that book.
Maybe, while you are skimming the Quran, you can note what Islam has to say about the legendary Jesus.
Well Larry,
Submitted by JT on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 7:20am.why don't you come over to my place, bring your pillow and blankey, and I will read the Quran to you.
"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
JT...you don't want to go there
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 8:01am.How about this one?
You are not annointed with the knowledge to truly understand the Quran as you are an infidel without Allah's blessing. Therefore your attempts to read will be clouded.
Sorry, I don't do sleepovers with grown men. Call Michael Jackson for that get together.
Larry,
Submitted by JT on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 9:18am.you're an infidel too, so we get the same punishment/treatment from the extremists.
Seeing as you don't to sleepovers with "grown men", sounds like you have more in common with Michael Jackson than me. ;-)
"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
Perhaps you should consider givng the Quran a critical read
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:04am.and by critical I mean, free (as much as possible) of your rather considerable bias and prejudice. If you do so, you might be more able to better understand the context of the passages you find the most threatening.
Let there be no compulsion in religion... Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256
Ok, How about this?
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:25am.O you (Jews) who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed. Sura (4:47)
"Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" Sura 5:59-60
Bukhari (59:727) - Allah's Apostle [said]... "Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians"
What context should this be taken in?
Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
OK....a little tit for tat...
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:01am.That is exactly correct...
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:44am.Right up until Christ came.
C.
Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
If Jesus was the end of slavery
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 5:32pm.Uh....
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 8:44pm....sheesh. Nevermind.
Man. Read "The Hero with a Thousand Faces".
From the intro:
JT....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:20am.Except.....I don't offer such events. You did.
You forget, that "infidel" stuff means nothing to me.
I think you really missed my irony, though. The phrasing I used was very similar to what I heard in an Evangelical church. I just substituted Islamic terms.
It doesn't matter if it means anything to you,
Submitted by JT on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 8:23pm.cuz it does mean something to the those who believe that garbage. And they will be the ones carving your head off with a butter knife. Not me, not a single Christian, not a Jew.
So polish up your communication skills, you may need them....likely sooner than later.
As for the event I offered, it was to read to an old man that apparently doesn't want to read for himself. Just because you chose to make a wet dream of it says more about you than me.... :-)
"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
wow
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 9:05pm.The thing about this kind of fear is that you're not fearing something real, you're fearing an improbable scenario. Do you really think a Muslim is going to cut your head off with a butter knife in the near future? Why?
Scary?
Submitted by JT on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:06am.What's scary is there are people who think the chance of terrorist cells being activated in this area is "not real" "improbable". Will they be carving heads off? Who knows, the extremists are capable of just about anything.
"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
'Terrorists ' are not capable of anything
Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 10:14am.They can't fly without artificial wings. They cannot conjure up malevolent powers at will. They do not fly around on broomsticks. They cannot make themselves invisible. In short 'Terrorists' are not supernatural boogymen lurking just out of sight as the proponents 'security' paint them. Cutting an Olympian's head off with a butter knife! Come on now!
I for one would rather take my infinitesimal chance being killed by someone with a beef with fat, stupid Amerikans as personified by Bush et.al. than live in this growingly Dystopian police state.
Those will to trade freedom for security deserve neither.
Indeed...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 10:41am.I'd be more worried about living on the street of dreams...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 11:24am....than getting my head chopped off by the Olympia terrorist cell.
Hope not hate.
Check the "Global Incident Map" (updated every 310 seconds) for more brown pants moments.
I've seen it before but does anyone have some stats on odds of dying by terrorism vs. car accident or anythying else?
remember that the absence of evidence is not
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 11:34am.evidence of absence. The local cell is likely to spring into action any day now. Please keep your butter knives locked away. or openly carry your own butter knife and be ready to defend yourself.
There is a lot of lunacy out there these days. Sometimes it is so thick you can cut it with a butter knife.
Let the old man take the youngster to school
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:20pm."As for the event I offered, it was to read to an old man that apparently doesn't want to read for himself. Just because you chose to make a wet dream of it says more about you than me.... :-)"
As to your wet dream comment, I was having them before you were a consideration in the mind of your biological parent, so let me share a little experience with you.
I've read much of the Quran, as well as many other religious books and materials. I was a Youth Director for the United Methodist Church, not one of the johnny-come-lately non-denominational churches that sprung up from a resentment to mainstream Protestantism - speaking primarily of the Pentecostals that are a little over 100 years old that came from Methodism because it wasn't mystic enough for them. Basically, I didn't come to this parade without my ticket punched.
I thought I'd have a little fun with you rather than just take you to the woodshed because of your attempt to talk down to me, but instead I'll challenge you to a face to face discussion, with audience, of any religious topic at any time. Bring your lunch and your text books because I don't bullshit when I start going on the subject.
I'll pay for the pizza
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:25pm.Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:29pm.It would be my honor...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:33pm.Interesting proposal,
Submitted by JT on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 7:18am.and could be fun. I think a panel discussion could be a better way to do it, but one on one could be fun as well. And maybe covering several topics as well. Settle some of these issues once and for all. Get out the pistols, take 21 paces turn and shoot it out!!!
"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
What if my count is off....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:52am.and I turn and shoot at 20?
Do I lose or win?
Ooh. Read "Answer to Job"...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:24am....Carl Jung. Very interesting.
Mulla Nasruddin was sitting on a river bank.
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 3:49pm.Oh man, you should hear his Catskills shtick.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 3:59pm.Shouldn't this be on Bad Joke Friday?
Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 5:32am.The Trial of Nasruddin
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 3:58pm.The king’s three scholars had accused Nasruddin of heresy, and so he was brought into the king’s court for trial. In his defense, Nasruddin asked the scholars, “Oh wise men, what is bread?”
The first scholar said, “Bread is sustenance; a food.”
The second scholar said, “Bread is a combination of flour and water exposed to the heat of a fire.”
The third scholar said, “Bread is a gift from God.”
Nasruddin spoke to the king, “Your Majesty, how can you trust these men? Is it not strange they cannot agree on the nature of something they eat every day, yet are unanimous that I am a heretic?”
Sage advice...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 4:43pm.An interesting piece I found online while searching
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:03am.Caution, some will be offended!
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
You are not helping Larry.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:14am.Funny, interesting, but I am not offended.
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:46am.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Me neither,
Submitted by JT on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 8:24pm."Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
We are the Precious Chosen
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 11:35am.Really,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:12am.Tell ya what. When we discuss something else I won't bring it up
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:47am.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
This is a hyperlocal discussion?
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:16pm.And still open after all this? How so?
"A gun is a tool, Marian. No better, no worse than any other tool. An axe, a shovel, or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.-- Shane