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Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:42am.

As LOCAL discussion blog was closed before I got a chance to respond to something.

 "there is no comparison, the Quran is way worse. But don't take anybody's word for it, read the damn thing. Make your own direct comparison. The only way you will know what the Quran is about is by reading it. Eveybody that writes a book about Islam and the Quran has their own biases and puts their spin on it."

 

JT - first, you admitted in another post that you had not read the Quran, therefore challenging me to read it is strawman at best.  My comparison of what I have read is that almost all religious material is the same - other than the names were changed to protect the dogma. 

For instance, are you aware that there are several "virgin births' in religious history? This is but one example of the point.  Everyone has complete knowledge of God's will for those that don't follow the laws they way their god says so.

This type of conversation take place in churches all over Olympia every Sunday and many Wednesdays.  It divides our community.

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I'm not sure how the conversations at

Gull Harbor Lutheran church in Olympia or the beautiful Chapel of Saint Ignatious in Seattle divide the community.  I just don't see how that is possible. Perhaps I don't understand your concludng sentence.

Now, attitudes like some of those expressed right here on Olyblog and by folks like the Taliban are deeply devisive. Unfortunately, religion is too easily hijacked by fear and ignorance.

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Mostly ignorance....

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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a thought experiment

If a 35 year old Shii read The Bible and began criticizing both its doctrines and the people who silently follow many aspects of them, would you say that that person is ignorant or knowledgeable about the subject under criticism?

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Depends on the criticism doesn't it. I would certainly have the

debate, I would not, if it were on my blog shut down the thread or call people bigots and then pretend to "step out of the tar pit" or defend such a childish claim. See I am not afraid to have the discussion, or hear the other side. I have read the Bible and I am perfectly willing to 'go there' as it were. How about you? You willing to have that discussion? Or would you rather just call names pretend it is all about hate and stick your fingers in your ears?

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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nt

nt Deleted my own comment because I dn't want to engage this.
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Didn't you just engage? Why bother with the post at all?

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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Awww...

Because I remembered right after I posted what a waste of time it is. So I deleted it. And once again, I characterized the material on your website as "Islamophobic," "anti-Islamic," and "bigoted," not you. Not sure why you are so eager to embrace the victim role here. Take some responsibility for what you post...like the bigoted trash from TheReligionofPeace.com.
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That's a pretty thin distinction, Gug.

"I characterized the material on your website as "Islamophobic," "anti-Islamic," and "bigoted," not you."

Is it a little too politically incorrect to suggest that the material we post and promote reflects who we are? Are there no bigots behind the material at sites like thereligionofpeace.com, only bigoted material that somehow collects there?

I think it is one thing to object to a posting that assumes a lot of bigotry that is part of the mainstream understanding - for instance, the notion that an indigenous person might not be capable of expressing a sophisticated philosophical point of view about the world - where the bigotry is unintentional, simply so rooted in common understanding that it is a given, as opposed to responding to bigotry that is not quite so deeply rooted in the common discourse - like muslims are inherently less capable of a peaceful approach to geopolitics than christians (it's a preposterous notion, if you review the historical record, but there you are, it's a pretty common meme out there today) - where the bigotry appears to be more intentional.

Do you follow? Nobody likes to be called a bigot, but maybe bigotry exists around us and through us each day. Maybe many of us are intentional or unintentional bigots on a regular basis.

Is it useful to call a person out when they are expressing a bigoted position and to ask them to review if they want to further the bigotry in the world by being an intentional or unintentional bigot? I think the answer to that question is yes. I think it is possible to elevate the conversation when we ask each other not to be bigots or to take personal responsibility when something we post is essentially bigoted. It is an opportunity to expand our consciousness of bigotry, but it is also an opportunity to sputter and get all excited because no one likes to be called a bigot.

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I never suggested that

"...an indigenous person might not be capable of expressing a sophisticated philosophical point of view about the world." Never. That is your own troubling projection at work.  

I have a low tolerance for bad scholarship...and projection.

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somebody is wrong on the internet

somebody hit the siren.  Calling folks on their bigotry, intentional or otherwise is likely to turn up the heat and a lot of defensiveness.

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Some of us are defensive about being called bigots

Others are defensive about being called on their scholarship. I clearly should have kept quiet. I regret it.
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another unanswered question

No it does not depend on the criticism. Would you classify such a person to be knowledgeable or ignorant about the Bible and its teachings?

I asked for somebody Christian to disprove the Qur'an without using another belief as evidence. You seemed to step up to the plate, but then you disappeared back into the dugout. I asked you to show me where in the Bible Jesus tells people they are capable of judging what is truly good and evil within Yahweh's dominion? Crickets and a cloudless night sky.

See I am not afraid to have the discussion, or hear the other side.

You type that, but your actions are speaking louder than your words.

How about you? You willing to have that discussion?

Waiting for you to come around is getting old.

Or would you rather just call names pretend it is all about hate and stick your fingers in your ears?

As long as you maintain that silence is implied acceptance of extremist Islam then I will not object to other people holding your beliefs as bigoted.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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It depends on the criticism.

Do they have any kind of information to support their claim? What is the claim. Is there something that would support the opposite in the Bible that would render the claim untrue, partly true, or would I have to agree? It depends. Is the claim just silly and not supported? Then I guess I would say it was un-knowledgeable. It depends on the criticism.

As for your evidence, I don't have a ton of time as I did a few weeks ago, so I am on much less than I was. I can prove the Koran is full of calls to anger, hate, and calls to violence. I don't think anyone can disprove faith. You can expose every UFO sighting as a hoax or something natural and explainable, but that would not mean people would stop beleiving that there are superior intelligences out there.

My actions demonstrate a recent change in my life that limits my free time to blog here. Not much more. The discussion need to be more than you changing the subject every five seconds. Maybe I overstepped my suggestion about disproving Islam, as I just said, I can't disprove faith. I can how ever show Islam for what it says and what its belivers do.

If I met you on the street, and in the course of a conversation you did not condemn Islamic terror, I would not think you are implicitly condoning terror. If the specific subject comes up and someone offers very specific examples of why they think what they do, and you in turn, claim that it is simply untrue, or as Mr. Whitlock pointed out, doesn't bother to find out for himself, I think a very clear link between acceptence and terror can be made. Particularly when it comes to the Palestinian terror inflicted on the Israeli's.

I am sorry but that simply is not bigoted, and I have every belief that you know better. The problem is you don't have the will to do the right thing and reject Gug calling me a bigot. If I had said that, I am sure I would have been force to wrtie three articles bla bla bla, but if a docent does it, or behaves in this manner it is permissable, but that is another discussion.

So, is that a little clearer for you? Sorry for the confusion. 

C.  

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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round the round the round

would you say that that person is ignorant or knowledgeable about the subject under criticism?

There was my question. Is the person ignorant or knowledgeable about the Bible? Is the person knowledgeable about the teachings based off of the Bible? The various interpretations and schools of thought?

I don't think anyone can disprove faith.

Thus the problem of intelligent design arguments.

If the specific subject comes up and someone offers very specific examples of why they think what they do, and you in turn, claim that it is simply untrue, or as Mr. Whitlock pointed out, doesn't bother to find out for himself, I think a very clear link between acceptance and terror can be made.

I said for their silence, not for what is explicitly stated. This is a big problem for me with a lot of your discourse on OlyBlog, not only do you sometimes misconstrue what I (for one) write but you use those opportunities as a diving board for making accusations and bringing other people into it.

I think a very clear link between acceptance and terror can be made.

Do you have the evidence supporting this claim? Hard stuff, not the faith stuff.

Again (and don't go miscontruein' me gin'here?): as long as you reason on people's guilt based on evidence of silence I will stand aside while others refer to your ideas as bigoted.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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How can I judge the knowledge of the person with out knowing the

question? How could I possibly know that? Round and round. Please.

 I think when a place like Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia is so closely associated with acts of terror, the people have a duty to reject that terror. People should not only be rejecting the launching of rockets into innocent homes killing people, they have a duty to report the people doing it to the police, or government. Silence is wrong when it comes to this.  A corporation is dumping  toxic waste into Black lake, I have a duty to report it.  Being silent is  morally wrong.  How  much more clear can I make it?

Also, I said implictly not explicitly. I am not sure you caught on to that.

If you personally know or have knowledge of who committed the arson of the house or houses on the "Street of Dreams" and you remain silent, you are guilty. Saying that I believe you are 'guilty' of what amount to a moral error is not bigoted. Gug is wrong. You are wrong. Again if societies and culture don't condemn terror they are making a very clear error. Mr. Whitlock's support of the Palestinian cause and justifications for their violence is wrong. To discuss it and not say 'hey that is wrong!' is also an error. To sit by in silence is wrong. It should be condemned at every turn. 

 

C.

P.S. Acceptance and terror, Go talk to Mr. Whitlock. He belives that it is justified, because the people of Palestine are driven to terror by the Western Interests in the region. Don't believe me? Ask him.   

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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Hey! You're wrong!

...I just couldn't stay silent. ;)
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I repudiate any violence that is not a last resort

Palestinian, Israeli, or American. Kind of goes without saying for me. Don't feel like I need to pass your peculiar test. Oh, and to understand why some people resort to violence does not mean you justify it.

Let there be no compulsion in religion... Qur'an 2:256

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You're Midas of the Misconstrue Touch

And I don't have any more time for trying to actually get you to converse.

Last I spoke with Mr. Whitlock on that subject he made it pretty apparent that he can empathize with, or understand the anger behind what drives some Palestinians to attack Israel. Since you're making the accusation it is up to you to prove it, and since it is a grave accusation I move for your removal from the OlyBlog for continued misquoting.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Here is one quote from Mr. Whitlock.

The honest truth is that Israel is an immensely more powerful state than Palestine. Israel, not Palestine, holds the power to de-escalate. The Palestinian people in the Gaza strip are fighting for their lives as Israel closes the border and refuses passage of medical supplies, fuel and food. It's a humanitarian crisis and a violation of human rights.

They are killing innocent men, women, and children. They indiscriminately launch rockets into homes, attack with suicide bombers, and target innocents. THis is not fighting for their lives, it is terror. Here we see Mr. Whitlock making a justification. 

Misquote? Please. 

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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Here is another quote

It's sad to read your words Chris. I don't think that they're true.

What you fail to recognize is that violent Zionism is a threat to the existence of Palestinians.

Palestinians have just as much right to exist as Israelis. Yet they're subjected to virtual concentration camps.


The problem is the violent Israeli Zionist nationalism. I wouldn't object to Zionism if it was altruistic and nonviolent. The problem is that Zionism is killing Palestinians.


Here Mr. Whitlock justifies again the terror employed by the terrorists. He believes that Israel is out to eliminate them, or put them in concentration camps. Strange though that the wall is meant to keep terrorists out, not in, and it is Islamic Radicals who regularly swear to eliminate Israel, and that the holocaust was a hoax. 

He goes on to try to temper his words that violence is bad, but he has already made his justifications for it. 

 

C. 

 

 

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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Larry,

let it go my friend.

As for the Quran, I didn't say I hadn't read it, I said I am reading it, skimmed much of it over the years, but now working my way through it.

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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JT....

Sometimes you can be the master of the semantics nuance.

A direct question - how can you avoid the anger, jealousy, vengance and other characteristics of the God of The Bible and be so quick to judge the writings of the Quran.  Think for a moment of the hideous game of the story of Job, played out by Satan and God, who appear to be one and the same in that book.

Maybe, while you are skimming the Quran, you can note what Islam has to say about the legendary Jesus.

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Well Larry,

why don't you come over to my place, bring your pillow and blankey, and I will read the Quran to you.

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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JT...you don't want to go there

How about this one?

 You are not annointed with the knowledge to truly understand the Quran as you are an infidel without Allah's blessing.  Therefore your attempts to read will be clouded.

Sorry, I don't do sleepovers with grown men.  Call Michael Jackson for that get together.

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Larry,

you're an infidel too, so we get the same punishment/treatment from the extremists.

Seeing as you don't to sleepovers with "grown men", sounds like you have more in common with Michael Jackson than me. ;-)

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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Perhaps you should consider givng the Quran a critical read

and by critical I mean, free (as much as possible) of your rather considerable bias and prejudice. If you do so, you might be more able to better understand the context of the passages you find the most threatening.

Let there be no compulsion in religion...  Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256

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Ok, How about this?

O you (Jews) who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed. Sura (4:47)

"Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"  Sura 5:59-60

Bukhari (59:727) - Allah's Apostle [said]... "Allah's curse be on the Jews and the  Christians" 

What context should this be taken in? 

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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OK....a little tit for tat...

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
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That is exactly correct...

Right up until Christ came.

C.

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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If Jesus was the end of slavery

Somebody didn't tell a bunch of Christians for about 1850 years.
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Uh....

...sheesh. Nevermind.

Man. Read "The Hero with a Thousand Faces".

From the intro:

"There are of course differences between the numerous mythologies and religions of mankind, but this is a book about similarities; and once they are understood the differences will be found to be much less great than is popularly (and politically) supposed. My hope is that a comparative elucidation may contribute to the perhaps not-quite disparate causes of those forces that are working in the present world for unification, not in the name of some ecclesiastical or political empire, but in the sense of human mutual understanding".
"As we are told in the Vedas: 'Truth is one, the sages speak of it by many names."
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JT....

Except.....I don't offer such events.  You did.

You forget, that "infidel" stuff means nothing to me. 

I think you really missed my irony, though.  The phrasing I used was very similar to what I heard in an Evangelical church.  I just substituted Islamic terms.

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It doesn't matter if it means anything to you,

cuz it does mean something to the those who believe that garbage. And they will be the ones carving your head off with a butter knife. Not me, not a single Christian, not a Jew.

So polish up your communication skills, you may need them....likely sooner than later.

As for the event I offered, it was to read to an old man that apparently doesn't want to read for himself. Just because you chose to make a wet dream of it says more about you than me.... :-)

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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wow

Man, I'm glad I don't live in your world, it's scary.

The thing about this kind of fear is that you're not fearing something real, you're fearing an improbable scenario. Do you really think a Muslim is going to cut your head off with a butter knife in the near future? Why?

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Scary?

What's scary is there are people who think the chance of terrorist cells being activated in this area is "not real" "improbable". Will they be carving heads off? Who knows, the extremists are capable of just about anything.

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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'Terrorists ' are not capable of anything

They can't fly without artificial wings. They cannot conjure up malevolent powers at will. They do not fly around on broomsticks. They cannot make themselves invisible. In short 'Terrorists' are not supernatural boogymen lurking just out of sight as the proponents 'security' paint them. Cutting an Olympian's head off with a butter knife! Come on now!

I for one would rather take my infinitesimal chance being killed by someone with a beef with fat, stupid Amerikans as personified by Bush et.al. than live in this growingly Dystopian police state.

Those will to trade freedom for security deserve neither.

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Indeed...

What ever happened to the "Live Free or Die" crowd? I'd much rather take my chances against the butterknife assassins as well.
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I'd be more worried about living on the street of dreams...

...than getting my head chopped off by the Olympia terrorist cell.

Hope not hate.

Check the "Global Incident Map" (updated every 310 seconds) for more brown pants moments.

I've seen it before but does anyone have some stats on odds of dying by terrorism vs. car accident or anythying else? 

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remember that the absence of evidence is not

evidence of absence.  The local cell is likely to spring into action any day now.  Please keep your butter knives locked away.  or openly carry your own butter knife and be ready to defend yourself.  

There is a lot of lunacy out there these days.  Sometimes it is so thick you can cut it with a butter knife. 

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Let the old man take the youngster to school

"As for the event I offered, it was to read to an old man that apparently doesn't want to read for himself. Just because you chose to make a wet dream of it says more about you than me.... :-)"

As to your wet dream comment, I was having them before you were a consideration in the mind of your biological parent, so let me share a little experience with you.

I've read much of the Quran, as well as many other religious books and materials.  I was a Youth Director for the United Methodist Church, not one of the johnny-come-lately non-denominational churches that sprung up from a resentment to mainstream Protestantism - speaking primarily of the Pentecostals that are a little over 100 years old that came from Methodism because it wasn't mystic enough for them.  Basically, I didn't come to this parade without my ticket punched.

I thought I'd have a little fun with you rather than just take you to the woodshed because of your attempt to talk down to me, but instead I'll challenge you to a face to face discussion, with audience, of any religious topic at any time.  Bring your lunch and your text books because I don't bullshit when I start going on the subject.

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I'll pay for the pizza

nt
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Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen

We are in Downtown Olympia for the first of only one debate between JT and AL.  I'm Gug, your pizza guy and moderator.
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It would be my honor...

though we might need a co-moderator to satisfy the "fair and ballanced" crowd. But I can be very fair in a pinch.
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Interesting proposal,

and could be fun. I think a panel discussion could be a better way to do it, but one on one could be fun as well. And maybe covering several topics as well. Settle some of these issues once and for all. Get out the pistols, take 21 paces turn and shoot it out!!!

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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What if my count is off....

and I turn and shoot at 20?

Do I lose or win?

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Ooh. Read "Answer to Job"...

...Carl Jung. Very interesting.

The Book of Job is a landmark in the long historical development of a divine drama. At the time the book was written, there were already many testimonies which had given a contradictory picture of Yahweh - the picture of a God who knew no moderation in his emotions and suffered precisely from this lack of moderation. He himself admitted that he was eaten up with rage and jealousy and at this knowledge was painful to him. Insight existed long with obtuseness, loving-kindness along with cruelty, creative power along with destructiveness. Everything was here, and none of these qualities was an obstacle to the other. Such a condition is only conceivable either when no reflecting consciousness is present at all, or when the capacity for reflection is very feeble and a mote or less adve­ntitious phenomenon. A condition of this sort can only be described as amoral.
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Mulla Nasruddin was sitting on a river bank.

A man across the river yelled to him, "How do I get to the other side?" Nasruddin yelled back, "You're already on the other side!"
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Oh man, you should hear his Catskills shtick.

He’s billed as The Wise Guy Mullah. "Just flew in from Mecca, and boy are my alms tired." Badump-dump.
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Shouldn't this be on Bad Joke Friday?

N/t
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The Trial of Nasruddin

The king’s three scholars had accused Nasruddin of heresy, and so he was brought into the king’s court for trial. In his defense, Nasruddin asked the scholars, “Oh wise men, what is bread?”

The first scholar said, “Bread is sustenance; a food.”

The second scholar said, “Bread is a combination of flour and water exposed to the heat of a fire.”

The third scholar said, “Bread is a gift from God.”

Nasruddin spoke to the king, “Your Majesty, how can you trust these men? Is it not strange they cannot agree on the nature of something they eat every day, yet are unanimous that I am a heretic?”

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Sage advice...

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An interesting piece I found online while searching

Caution, some will be offended! 

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

 

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
 
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
 
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
 
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
 
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
 
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
 
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
 
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
 
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

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You are not helping Larry.

...
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Funny, interesting, but I am not offended.

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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Me neither,

"Forgiving or punishing the terrorists is left to God. But, fixing their appointment with God is our responsibility."

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

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We are the Precious Chosen

We are the Precious Chosen Few
Let all the rest be damned
There's only room for one or two
We can't have Heaven crammed
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Really,

I think you need to take your ugly TheReligionofPeace.com message elsewhere.
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Tell ya what. When we discuss something else I won't bring it up

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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This is a hyperlocal discussion?

 And still open after all this?  How so? 

"A gun is a tool, Marian. No better, no worse than any other tool. An axe, a shovel, or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.-- Shane
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Docents are fellow citizen journalists who volunteer to be at your service in order to help with any blog-related issues. They are:

Rob Richards
Interests: community building; participatory art, democracy and economics; local politics; citizen journalism.

emmettoconnell
Interests: City Council, developing a local issues forum.

enpen
Interests: OlyBlog poster calendar, Olympia public art, local artist interviews, his family, poetry and stuff.

Robert Whitlock
Interests: peace, justice, nature, nonviolence, media, environment

Rick
Interests: citizen journalism, hyperlocal media, the knowledge commons.

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