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Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:01pm.
It's no secret that lots of people in this community do not like Jeff Brigham. He's paying the consequences of his actions and that's the way life is.
» Unlike Tschida Jeff has shown an ability to participate in Olyblog within the guidelines that were asked of him. (at least, a greater ability than even I have to admit Tschida possessed.) It is not right that participants are allowed to "play the player instead of the ball" when it comes to him. He submits a post, or a comment, and he gets attacked with something unrelated to the thread or what he said. Are certain people eligible for ad hominem attacks? Are certain people exempt from the community-protections that have been pushed and pushed on us these past few months? I understand that there are people here who personally knew Rachel Corrie, and who will never forgive Jeff for his insensitivity. That's fine. But what they need to do is ignore him unless they can contribute to the discussion. [EDIT: I posted this at the same time Rob R removed the offending comments (mine too, which was only right.) I offered to have him remove this post - I feel I make a good point though.]
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Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:03pm.You're right
Submitted by JulieM on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:19pm.What you're describing sounds like it would be a violation of the Social Contract. I try not to read his posts or comments because I can't separate that 'bulldozer' sign from his opinions.
You wrote:
I understand that there are people here who personally knew Rachel Corrie, and who will never forgive Jeff for his insensitivity.
Was there some sort of apology from Jeff? I'm asking honestly. If people are going to forgive him, I'd assume it's because there was some sort of admission of insensitivity.
I don't know if he
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:26pm.I emailed him around that time, suggesting:
His response:
and I guess it really isn't the point of this thread
Submitted by JulieM on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:58pm.He had an opportunity to apologize right here on Olyblog
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:34pm.Some people will never
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:42pm.Some people would never accept an apology anyways. That's too bad.
Come to think of it, I never apologized for calling you Fractious that one time - unless I did it while slurring on the patio ground at the Broho. I'm sorry, Gug.
I've apologized to Rick for some things, and refuse to for others - either way, we lay off the Ad Hominems on each other.
I agree,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 12:49pm.hmmmm
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 2:35pm.I'm inclined to call you an ass here, Merwyn. So I will: you're an ass.
That's for making a big hoo-rah-rah about it back when I sent Jeff a private message asking him to cease his participation on OlyBlog. I asked him to quit OlyBlog because his social standing is such that his very participation makes it a pain-in-the-ass to be a volunteer trying to keep the place up.
As you can plainly see my request was not a demand, Jeff decided not to honor my request (as per his right) and his continued participation is a pain-in-the-ass.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
and his continued
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:03pm.Why? Simply because he's around?
He has demonstrated that he is capable of creating hyper local content by reporting on a meeting which would be of interest to a number of people and his posts in each thread are on-topic (that I've always noticed; if someone has seen a different trend, let it be known).
This reminds me a lot of a neighborhood association. You carve out multiple pieces of property - in our case, handles on the "internets" - and surround yourself with people who will keep the value of your property up. For the most part you can keep the extreme bottom out by simply pricing them out (on OlyBlog this would be the hyper local requirement placed on created content).
But then you get the people who you don't want around, yet they can afford to be there. They meet all of the requirements (mowing their lawn, making their mortgage, etc.) yet they're not one of you. You didn't foresee that this family would be able to move into the neighborhood, so you must come up with new ways to keep "them" out.
I'm not saying conservatives are oppressed here. This isn't a public forum, so there are no guarantees. I've never encountered any problems and I've thrown some pretty wild stuff out there.
I just don't think Jeff should be a target because people cannot - or do not want - to control their emotions.
There's been a lot of stuff on this blog which is personal to me and which should offend me. I simply ignore it, shrug it off and don't worry about it or engage in the conversation without getting worked up.
I'd certainly never ask anyone to leave because of it, though.
No
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:47pm.He has demonstrated that he is capable of creating hyper local content by reporting on a meeting which would be of interest to a number of people and his posts in each thread are on-topic (that I've always noticed; if someone has seen a different trend, let it be known).
He has demonstrated that he is capable of creating hyperlocal content when not doing so prohibits his participation on this space.
I just don't think Jeff should be a target because people cannot - or do not want - to control their emotions.
You reap what you sow.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
He has demonstrated that he
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:51pm....and?
You reap what you sow.
Unless it's spraypaint vandals or rock throwers, in which case it's Boo Hoo, another young life ruined over nothing.
Great following of the
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:12pm.How is his continued participation a pain in the ass? Who told everyone to hop around and hit him with ad hominem attacks? Those who've chosen to ignore him seem to have no pain where they sit.
If Olyblog is about telling people outside the circle not to participate, than Olyblog can take it's apparent clique and go to Hell.
?
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:44pm.How is his continued participation a pain in the ass?
You answered this already.
It's no secret that lots of people in this community do not like Jeff Brigham. He's paying the consequences of his actions and that's the way life is.
Jeff had (has) a very public chance here on OlyBlog to recognize the moral wrong of his actions and instead insisted upon his righteousness. As long as he continues to abide by that line of thinking then the wounds he caused in his community will continue to fester and people will react negatively to his very presence. The fact that you felt compelled to start this thread is an excellent example of the ridiculous amount of energy spent on the guy and aside from his time-out his participation here has been almost entirely limited to comments thereby increasing the amount of time I (and others) have to spend watching out for flame-ups within threads; this is why his continued participation is a pain and the amount of energy wasted around him as an issue.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
That's not right, the
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:49pm.Are we allowed to treat Pete Bohmer the same way if he chooses to stick around? After all It's no secret that lots of people in this community do not like Pete Bohmer. He's paying the consequences of his actions and that's the way life is.. Or is he protected with all the rest of us because some here bow to his ideology?
Is this Olyblog or Olyborg?
[...]
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 12:46am.While I wouldn't categorize him as a victim this kind of logic is no different from blaming the victim: they shouldn't have dressed that way etc.
I'm not sure where you learned logic, but that isn't it. Jeff used a psychological weapon he knew in advance many people in this (his?) community would not only find offensive but deeply hurtful. Thus far he has refused to apologize for his act or even attempt to make amends and as a result his standing in the Olympia community I'm familiar with is about as low as one can get (near Bush II's approval ratings). This does not mean I condone people throwing rocks at him; however, I am empathetic to their intolerance of him.
Are we allowed to treat Pete Bohmer the same way if he chooses to stick around?
Did Pete Bohmer ever publicly celebrate the death of an Olympia community member in a way meant to silence an opposing voice? If he has, maybe we can have an analogical conversation.
Is this Olyblog or Olyborg?
Do you get tired of running out the same bad joke?
Unless it's spraypaint vandals or rock throwers, in which case it's Boo Hoo, another young life ruined over nothing.
Again, I'm not sure where you learned logic but once again this fails any sort of rational litmus test. Please tell me how making a personal request for somebody to leave an online community blogging platform is in any way shape or form comparable to putting somebody behind bars.
He has an offensive public history - again, so what? How is he conducting himself here? That's all that should matter...
In any other online community I've seen I would completely agree with you. OlyBlog, however, is an online representation of the Olympia community and as such there are ramifications from the physical world that take place here and likewise from the digital to the physical. Jeff holds the scissors which cut his chances of respectful dialogue. Jeff likewise holds the tape for any attempt to mend the problem. Thus far on OlyBlog he has only leveled a veiled threat for the conditions under which he will not employ his hateful signage. Snip, snip.
This has been more "interesting" than a bunch of pictures of tags I'll say.
Somebody else was complaining about those as well. Like minds, I guess.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Jeff, if you read this...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:16pm....now is the perfect time to respond to my sincere questions from your jan 22nd blog. I've been waiting patiently and others have used your avoidence of the issue as an example of intellectual dishonesty.
Please respond to:
I was very nice, I think.
For Fawke's sake, that's
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:19pm.I think the Powers that Be call it "letting go"
and with that
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:50pm.I'm off to prep dinner for my family. But feel free to keep spending time on Jeff, it gets us far and his participation has added so many positives to this space.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Dick Heads - Dick Heads -
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:53pm.Here are some of the most
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 4:14pm.Here he suggests that calling people "fascist" doesn't help conversation. The nerve of him.
Here he says Free Speech does not allow for damage to property, nor does it allow for other people's rights to be infringed on. Clearly the man is Satan Incarnate.
Here he offers a list of people sentenced to many years for various crimes committed while being Activists. Of course that would be offensive for criminals who wish to get away with it.
Moving to a different article he becomes one half of an arguing duo. He dared point out that Corporate Corruption has nothing to do with the subject of Illegal Immigration. He also had the gall to point out a docent's doublestandard - he should know by now that's a lost cause.
Here Jeff again causes trouble - making Olybloggers cry in front of their children - by sharing his experience with being maliciously defamed in the Olympia's comments. Perhaps his derogatory nickname for "Liberal Cowboy" was too offensive.
Lest I be accused of Intellectual Dishonesty (whatever the Hell that buzzword means) Jeff has also said "God Bless Israeli Bulldozers" - one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard.
I think you are only making enpen's point Merwyn
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 4:34pm.How so? Enpen's point is
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 4:48pm.Most of his recent comments have a point, and they're made without namecalling or baiting. As of this writing his most recent one gives excellent advice for how those who threw rocks could legally change the system.
He won't answer a question on the UN - so what? Who cares? He has an offensive public history - again, so what? How is he conducting himself here? That's all that should matter - and he's Head and Shoulders above Chris B. in making an effort on his part.
No, the point is that this is not the most interesting
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 5:57pm.Well who asked Enpen to
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 9:18pm.This has been more "interesting" than a bunch of pictures of tags I'll say.
Oh, please...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 9:52pm.I forgot - Docent
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:01am.His was the first instance of name-calling in what was otherwise a perfectly behaved post.