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Submitted by Berd on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 3:21pm.
I sat down last night and typed away for a long time letting loose about my thoughts and feelings regarding the rezone. I still have a lot of feeling and thoughts about the rezone. Part of me is angry and frustrated - because I feel like I haven't been heard. Members of the Council have not adequately addressed my very legitimate and reasonable concerns about the rezone and the proposed luxury development. And there are many people who feel like me - who feel that the Council has more or less overlooked their concerns, or looked down on them in a condescending manner. Even the Councilmembers who voted against the rezone did not wholly encompass the great body of wisdom in the oppositional arguments as they have been presented so patiently, repeatedly and consistently over the past few months. And certainly, the oppositional faction on the Council did nothing, or next to nothing, (at least publicly) to counter or rebut the 4 Councilmembers who seemed so determined to plow ahead in the face of such overwhelming oppositional reason and sentiment. How can the Council proceed without even responding to, much less adequately addressing, the concerns of so many residents of Olympia? A lot of what I want to say has already been said, most recently and clearly by Janet Blanding in the December issue of WIP. Here's a link to that article: The people of Olympia versus the Olympia City Council : The continuing tug-of-war over the isthmus, and an excerpt: “It ain’t over until it’s paved over,” declared Bonnie Jacobs of Friends of the Waterfront at a recent citizens forum to save the isthmus. Thought it was a warm, sunny Saturday morning, the Columbia room in the Capitol basement was filled to capacity, standing room only. Event organizers made several trips to the cafeteria to retrieve more chairs to accommodate the nearly 180 people who wanted to know what could be done to stop the unpopular proposed rezone of the isthmus. Among the crowd was newly re-elected Senator Karen Fraser. Sponsored by the Friends of the Waterfront, 20/20 Vision Olympia, the Capitol Park Foundation and the League of Women Voters, the forum featured a number of speakers, who addressed topics ranging from the status of the citizen initiative, to the impact of the rezone on the proposed Heritage Center on the Capitol Campus, to the possible course of litigation should the rezone be approved by the Olympia City Council.That article covers much of my concerns about the issue. But I am still frustrated, and I will go on about that! So please bear with me. I am frustrated because The Olympian and the Council have consistently overlooked the depth and breadth of the oppositional arguments - presumably preferring to pretend ignorance rather than addressing these concerns honestly and in a head-on fashion. This behavior does not good public policy make. I am also overwhelmed. I am overwhelmed not only by the Isthmus issue, but also by the other amendments and the whole process - by the seemingly esoteric decision making and deliberation process of the council - by their inadequate attention to the legitimate concerns of residents. I am overwhelmed with feeling shock and awe - by these various Comprehensive Plan Amendments - only one of which has consumed my attention so much. I feel like I have been distracted while other amendments have passed by without so much more than a whisper of comment (about zoning issues in re: environmental degradation.) I wonder what the hell is going on with the other ones. Are they allowing clear-cutting and development of tract homes with two and three car garages, or some other harm to the environment? I do want to address at least one point here, which was already covered quite expertly in Blanding's recent WIP article. That issue is the intent of the development and the developer and the impact of rezoning on park feasibility. Some Councilmembers have consistently and repeatedly stated their belief that the rezone, if passed, will not affect the feasibility of developing a park, as envisioned by the parks foundation, and the 5,000 signatories of the petition. To this I say: hogwash. The rezone will enable a development that would stand to generate significant financial profit for the developer and associated interests. The land value will increase commensurate with the newly zoned potential use. Say it ain't so? The only way that it might not be so is with a very strict developer's agreement. But even that might not prevent the land from being auctioned off at a financial profit to the owner, based on the new land-use regulation. Park feasibility and the rezone are inextricably interconnected. We cannot have a park, as envisioned by the petitioners, simultaneous with a super-structure condo development. This is not lack of compromise - this is the will of the signatories to the petition, who the City has now entered into contract with presumably in good faith. The feasibility of the park will be harmed by rezone approval. The land value is more than likely to increase - in other words, it will be more difficult to purchase the land for purposes of building a park after the rezone passes - thusly harming the potential for a park. To say it again in different words: approval of the rezone will constitute a harm and a threat to the feasibility of developing a park. So, Why did Triway Enterprises Propose a the Rezone? Was it solely out of the goodness of heart? Tri Vo attested (at the Planning Commission Hearing and the Council Public Hearing) to as much. Do you believe him? —I don't (more reasons below). I believe the proposal was made no so much out of the goodness of heart, as out of a desire to take advantage of the potential rezone, to reap financial profit and material benefit. This supposed material gain does not stand only for Triway Enterprises, but also for a variety of associated interests and industries that stand to benefit from the building of these massive juggernaut super-structures. But the public doesn't stand any real benefit to outweigh the harm that these buildings will do to the aesthetic and the psyche of the community. Luxury condos for the rich during a time of increasing homelessness and economic hardship. We shouldn't have to connect the dots on this one, folks. The rezone and luxury condos do not represent real progress. Instead, they represent government doing the business of financial elite- at the sake of the public interest. This project doesn't represent environmental stewardship. It represents the taking of an area away from the public and sequestering it away for the use of only a small but powerful subset of the population. Government is supposed to protect against such behavior. So, can the rezone proposal be understood as originating from the goodness of heart? I don't think so. Based on my personal experience and on reports of the behavior of Triway Enterprises (ref: article by Janet Blanding on Coopercrest and the clear"cut and run"). This is not to mention my personal experience with Tri Vo, which includes an occasion during the Planning Commission Hearing when I was providing oral public testimony. Mr. Vo was sitting near the podium where I was speaking, and he was making intimidating noises, what sounded like snorting noises. It felt very unfriendly to me. This is not the behavior of someone I am likely to trust anytime soon. Goodness of heart or desire for financial profit? A little of both? How much of each? What's your personal experience with Triway? Good guys, nice and amiable? Have you made a complaint about Triway? How were you treated? Does Triway leave something to be desired? Is there a conflict of interest between the rezone and the park feasibility analysis? At the least, it would make sense to delay a decision on the rezone solely on the basis that the Council has not adequately addressed the varietal concerns expressed by members of the public. We need to have another public hearing - because it seems that the Council didn't really hear us as a result of the first two. Here's an idea of how the public hearing could be conducted:
One of the biggest reasons (biggest for me) to delay or deny the isthmus rezone amendment right now is that the Council has not adequately addressed, or in some cases has not even begun to address, the variety of diverse arguments that have so adamantly and eloquently been brought forth in opposition to the rezone. Berd
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If I understand the council correctly...
Submitted by FRESH on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 5:07pm.Sour Grapes
Submitted by Laurian on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 6:09pm.Berd, you and all the anti-rezone folks have been heard from through the very cogent arguments of Thad and the others. Hundreds have given testimony both in public and private. Tens of thousands of words have been written on Olyblog alone. And you feel like you have not been heard! Good lord man.
What y
Maybe talking to people who have already made up their minds
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 6:23pm.Not been heard? Really.
Submitted by Laurian on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 6:38pm.Due to the retarded edit function on olyblog, here are my comments in toto from above.
Berd, you and all the anti-rezone folks have been heard from for close to a year now. From the very cogent arguments of Thad through some pretty sleazy guilt by association tactics all arguments for and against the rezone have been explored. Hundreds of citizens have given testimony both in public and private. Tens of thousands of words have been written on Olyblog alone, a significant percentage of them yours. And you feel like you have not been heard! No Berd, you have been heard. It's just 4 out of 7 council members disagree with you.
Buck up there Buddy, the Shorelines Commission has to sign off on this and there there are a few lawsuits being drafted right now. This ain't over yet. And in the end should two ticky tack condos go up that will not be the end of the friggin' world.
I just want this to be over with. At this point the divisiveness over this issue may have done more permanent damage to this community than two building could ever do.
"This behavior does not
Submitted by Matthew Green on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 9:03pm."This behavior does not good public policy make."
Who ever said the point of politics is to make good public policy? Politics is merely our process for making public policy -- good, bad, or indifferent. If you wish to see different policy, win the politics.
Former mayor Bob Jacobs: "Don't be surprised ... "
Submitted by Sandy M on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 10:37pm.I just listened to Bob Jacobs' testimony at last night's Council meeting. He was the last to speak and the meeting quickly adjourned when he was finished. He didn't refer to notes, and faced the council the entire time he spoke. Here's what he said:
Mayor Jacobs' Testimony
Submitted by Berd on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 11:02pm.Sandy, thank you for mentioning and transcribing former Mayor Bob Jacobs' testimony. I had meant to mention his testimony above.
Disagreeing is one thing...
Submitted by eristalis on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 12:57pm.People are Speaking Out
Submitted by Berd on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 1:10pm.There is a difference between speaking out, and speaking out and being heard. People are definitely speaking out, speaking their minds. But are they being heard? It's hard to tell. Because Council has not responded to many of the critiques of the proposal. These critiques have gone un-acknowledged. That's all.
That's why I advocate rejection of this proposal, or at least delay - so the Council has the opportunity to adequately respond to the multitudinous critiques and complaints about this proposal.
Another Public Hearing Would be a Good Idea
Submitted by Berd on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 1:33pm.As I stated in the above article, having another public hearing might help the situation. One of the problems I noticed from the first hearings was that the testimony of people for the rezone v. the testimony against was very contradictory.
There has been little to no effort made to address these contradictions - especially by the pro-rezone contingent. The anti-rezone people have offered oodles of information and rebuttal against the pro-rezone arguments - and it's like the City Council just doesn't care.
The rezone flies in the the face of good and common economic sensibility.
Market deregulation is what has led to the current financial/economic mess.
Is the answer to the problem more deregulation? Or is the answer to figure out a more equitable economic system? If the answer is the latter - that we need fairness, and equity, then Larida Passage is the 180º wrong direction to move. So don't enable it by passing the rezone. How's that for reaoning?
Many if not a sizable majority of people from Olympia object to the apparent appeasement of trickle-down economic theory (ref: December Janet Blanding WIP article).
Council has not adequately addressed that economic concern, nor has Council appropriately addressed the objection many have to relegating the space, the land to private use. Public space is a higher use. A better use. It's more fair.
Many people have made the argument that a novel park feature will actually serve as a better driver of a vibrant economic environment (as compared to the proposed Larida Passage.)
Finally, There is obviously a strong and vociferous voice of opposition from within the community. Where is that voice on the Council? Yes, Councilmembers have spoken against the proposal. But the oppositional voices and reasons from the community have not been represented on the Council. So what's up with that? It leads me to wonder whether there is something wrong with our electoral system. Maybe too much money involved in the campaigns? Maybe politicians who stand to gain as a result of certain decisions?
The United States was formed because the founders and rebels objected to the tyrannies of the state. The USA was born out of a degree of oppression. People chanted, "No taxation without representation." What's going on here isn't too much different than that. The majority of our public officials are members of the ownership class. I wonder how policy might differ if the character of the Council more accurately represented the character of the community - perhaps with an obligatory homeless (or houseless) Councilmember. The job of government is, or should be, to represent all members of the whole community - not just a select subset, e.g. the building/development industry, banks, realty, and associated industries. Members of the whole community includes not only current Homo sapiens sapiens, but future generations and the Earth (and all the ecosystems, flora and fauna, and inanimate objects as well.)
It's about respect. It's about listening. It's about acknowledging the concerns of all community members.
"But the oppositional
Submitted by Matthew Green on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 7:56pm."But the oppositional voices and reasons from the community have not been represented on the Council. So what's up with that? It leads me to wonder whether there is something wrong with our electoral system."
Oppositional voices (though I prefer to think of them as voices that support other things) have served on the council in the past, and retired. Some ran for city council last year, and lost. Funny, I don't remember you being there.
Not There
Submitted by Berd on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 8:18pm.I wasn't there as much as I would have liked! I wish that I had been more involved. Maybe I'll get more involved next year. Are you thinking of running again?
Sorry
Submitted by Matthew Green on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 10:14pm.That was a bit harsh.
What I should have said is: All the opposition to the rezone, and all the energy unleashed about what we want Olympia to be like, isn't worth a damn thing unless a lot of it gets focused on the city council elections next year.
No, I'm not running. But somebody will. Find good people, make them run if you have to, then support them.
"Elitist Liberals?"
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 2:13pm.No Palin Here...
Submitted by eristalis on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 5:20pm.Underused?
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 10:56pm.Fairness and Equity in Society
Submitted by Berd on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 7:02pm.This comment is direct toward eristalis and the assumption that Larida Passage is worthwhile because it will prevent suburban sprawl.
As far as suburban sprawl goes - it's too late. Sorry. The system is broken. What we need now may be to dismantle those suburbs and use the materials to build a denser and truly sustainable society. However, we can't solve the problem with the same type of thinking that got us into this situation. The type of thinking that got us into this situation - where big businesses take advantage of, and exploit, laws, labor, markets, and resources in order to reap profit, must be disbanded.
What we need is an equitable society where the wealth is distributed fairly. If we have budgetary problems, it is because years of tax cuts for the rich have created such a bulge in the top of the pyramid that the economic structure is collapsing under its own weight.
Tax the rich.
Determine the genuine costs of business activities and assess appropriate impact fees.
The problem with the rezone and Larida Passage is that it's designed to benefit a special subset of the population. It's not equitable.
It's based on the same type of failed trickle-down economic theory that has created the current mess.
In other words, it's a dinosaur. And people are going to keep trying to kill it until it's done - or until there is nothing more they can do to stop it.
Larida Passage represents the past. It represents special treatment by government for the wealthy well-connected "well-to-do."
What we need for true sustainability is to create and develop a genuinely sustainable local infrastructure. Local industry based on locally available and renewable resources. Local jobs.
The right kind of policy would look at how to create just such an industry in the downtown core. Create industry. Create jobs. Housing will follow naturally.
The current system is despoiling the planet. Billions of human beings around the world suffer because of inadequate shelter or nutrition. We are, as Americans, central to that problem.
Change comes from within. From within me, and from within you, it spreads to the community, and beyond.
Yes, we are affected by policy top-down. But the process of creating real change will probably have to occur locally, and spread from there.
The rezone proposal and Larida Passage do not represent that type of real change that I seek, nor does it represent the type of change that I believe we need, as a society, to responsibly and prudently move forward in progress with regard to the welfare of the planet and future generations.
Peace, Berd
Ridiculous Nonsense
Submitted by eristalis on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 11:19pm.Oh, my. Explanations like that make me sad. It's clear you're a well-intentioned individual, and you seem to strive towards thoughtfulness, but your analysis is so severely lacking that it's painful to read. For starters, please, please, consider that you might be wrong. After that, I suggest taking time to do a meta-assessment of all aspects of your opinion-making processes.
"As far as suburban sprawl goes - it's too late. Sorry."
Actually, it's not too late. The State Office of Financial Management is charged with projecting future population growth in the state. Their forecasts show the state population increasing by one million people over the next ten years. Our current population is estimated at 6.6 million residents. That is expected to rise to 8.5 million residents by 2030. The people have to live somewhere. How will our public policy choices influence that?
"What we need for true sustainability is to create and develop a genuinely sustainable local infrastructure. Local industry based on locally available and renewable resources. Local jobs."You're way off to suggest that sustainability means industry must rely on locally renewable resources. There are very few locavore construction workers.
"The rezone proposal and Larida Passage do not represent that type of real change that I seek, nor does it represent the type of change that I believe we need, as a society, to responsibly and prudently move forward in progress with regard to the welfare of the planet and future generations."
Instead of Larida Passage, you support building a park across the street from an existing, huge, underused park. That's the real change you seek?
I could go on, but seriously, will you consider that meta-assessment?
Ridiculous Nonsense
Submitted by Berd on Thu, 12/11/2008 - 11:39pm.Ridiculous nonsense? You think so? I don't appreciate being told that my thoughts and ideas are ridiculous, or that they're nonsense - I suppose maybe the conjunction of ridiculous and nonsense acts like a double-negative and they cancel out - but still. Please!
Is it ridiculous nonsense that respected scientists, based on peer-reviewed study, have made strong statements suggesting that humanity must become green-house gas neutral or else face severe economic crises as a result of co2 and other greenhouse gas emissions?
How many species have human activities driven to extinction?
Is it ridiculous to point out scientific studies indicating that commercial fishing in the world's oceans will no longer be viable (due to over-fishing) by mid-century?
Seriously. Will you consider the very real and very severe impacts that human society is having not only on itself, but on the entire planet and all living creatures!
I am sorry you're sad. It's a woe, for sure. But let's be serious here, and realistic, when assessing the very real harm that human society is causing to planetary life and limb.
As far as developing local industry and infrastructure that is based on locally sourced and renewable materials (to include food), it's a challenge, no doubt. A challenge we would be wise to undertake.
More Information re: Carbon
Submitted by Berd on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 1:15am.I found this article about human caused climate disruption to be disturbing. Check it out:
But Berd
Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 7:10am.All your talk about lowering CO2 emissions (a very good thing) should lead you towards supporting high density urban housing like what Tri Vo is proposing to do.
Not all ideas are equally valid. Just because someone says something does not make it so. That is why some go forward and most don't. Just because you are emotionally attached to a certain outcome, in this case a park over two mid-rise condo buildings, does not make your idea superior.
high density housing
Submitted by Berd on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 10:18am.I do support high-density housing. Not like it has been proposed by Triway Enterprises.
My position about the park v. condos is much more than emotional, Laurian. Don't you understand that?
Please Explain.
Submitted by FRESH on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 10:21am.Robert, for the most part, when I read your posts here, I feel like you don't pay attention to facts, and I feel like you're driven by strong (not wrong) emotions.
Please explain
Submitted by Berd on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 10:28am.Which facts do I not pay attention to?
Forget it.
Submitted by FRESH on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 10:30am.You've adobted the language
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 8:29am.Just trying to counter
Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 8:54am.Berd's hyperbolic meme with a more accurate meme of my own.
By most architectural definitions five and seven story buildings are mid-rise.
Fair enough
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 9:29am.Nevermind
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 9:51am.Not worth the inevitable struggle. Merry Christmas.
Gug your right about Olympia scale
Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 3:25pm.I thought about that as I wrote the comment above but chose to blunder forward for crude propaganda reasons. As much as we mortal Gods of Cheet Wood would like, Olympia does not exist in a vacuum.
A scant 22 miles from here seven stories is mid-rise. And I've heard of this magical place an hour to the North. It's called the Emerald City and they have 70 story buildings. It is said if you put your head against a corner and look up you see lines merge into infinity. Infinity is a pretty big number Gug. In the word of Neo "Whoa!"
Please God, do not make me explain this joke.
Amen
It is said, one can do the same with my forehead
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 4:14pm."Whoa" indeed. Anyway, this will be all over one day and we'll look back at it and...and laugh. We're going to have a big (midbig in Tacoma terms) blob glued on to the west end of dowtown Olympia and I might as well get used to it I suppose. And with the market the way it is, the luxury condos just might just end up being affordable, leased, high-end appartments. Perfect for our legislative camp followers.
"This view is your view. This view is my view ..."
Do you really think it will be built?
Submitted by jlw on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 4:26pm.I don't. Condo sales are not doing well at the moment -- where is Triway going to get the financing? I think he'll go for a quick sale as soon as the ink is dry on the comp plan amendment. Without a development agreement, there's nothing to stop him.
Yeah,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 5:19pm.Height is linked to housing
Submitted by jlw on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 6:09pm.high riseoops! mid-rise there.You can build one floor of commercial...
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Sat, 12/13/2008 - 10:34pm.with UW-H housing, though it doesn't all have to be on a single floor
Best,
Thad