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Submitted by Laurian on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 12:24pm.
As sexy as the debate over the proposed noise ordinance was, the Planning Commission had other two other items on it’s agenda. Kraig Chalem from Olympia’s Community Planning and Development briefed the commission on changes and clarification on Temporary Use permits. These are the kind of permit you get to site a demolition debris dumpster, to have a garage sale, (Bet ya didn’t know you needed a permit to sell that crap in your garage?) or to annex some sidewalk in front of your restaurant for tables and chairs. Most of the proposed changes were to clarify definitions or to eliminate redundancies in the OMC. Preceding Mr. Chalem was Mr. Andy Haub, Planning and Engineer Manager for the city. He briefed the Commission on the projected impact rising sea levels will have on Olympia. The Climate Impact Group (http://cses.washington.edu/cig/) predicts the sea level rise (SLR) in the South Sound could be as much as 22” by 2050 and 50” by 2100. Downtown Olympia sits between one to three feet above sea level. A one-foot rise would cause ponding on some streets and flooding during extremely high tides. A two-foot rise would interfere with stormwater pipes and even causing the flow of water in them to reverse. A three-foot rise will flood most of downtown. These predictions are based on the most dire SLR scenarios. A comment that caught my ear and got me to pay attention to Mr. Haub’s presentation was his mention that Olympia has sunk 8/10ths of a foot on the last fifty years. This is due not to subsiding of fill that most of downtown Olympia is built on, although it is a factor in figuring SLR impacts, but rather due to the sinking of the piece of the earth’s crust we sit on. With Olympia sinking, sea levels rising and the recurrent flooding from storm surges it is probable that you and I will see significant incursions of water on downtown Olympia in our lifetimes. Damned if a feller can’t learn a thing or two by attending something as mundane as a Planning Commission meeting.
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Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 12:33pm.Excellent!!!!
Submitted by Laurian on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 12:44pm.You are reporting the "very high" estimates for SLR
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 12:55pm.Huh?
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 4:34pm.I thought the opposite was true. Aren't we "on top" in the subduction zone? I heard a geologist speaking on KUOW saying that northern parts of the Sound were rising, and as far as they could tell, southern parts were neutral.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Your right...sorta
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 4:50pm.Interesting report.
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 4:52pm.Thanks for posting that.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Here's the study
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 12:59pm.Thanks for the correction.
Submitted by Laurian on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 1:13pm.50 inches
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 11:02am.Aldo Leopold: "We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect."
50 inches is already the "worst case" scenario
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 11:32am.range of forecasts
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 6:05pm.What is clear is the law of thermodynamics. We are subject to the conservation of matter and energy. The introduction of heat and heat-trapping green houses gasses into the atmosphere will have consequences.
For example, the increase in atmospheric carbon is changing the chemistry of ocean water. Ocean acidification has potentially harmful consequences for a variety of organisms, from coral species, to plankton.
If the antarctic starts melting in earnest along with the arctic, the sea level rise potential will be more than 50".
Let's hope that 50" is the worst case scenario.
Well...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 8:57pm.22 inches by 2050 would be ok
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:31am.I think it would be good for real estate market. Lots of new waterfront lots. Plus, this is all theoretical and if the sun cools, or if we switch to cars without catalytic converters, then none of this will happen anyway.
As for Antarctica melting, how's that going to happen? It's like freezing down there. The breakup of some of ice shelfs is just the free market economy of ice blocks in action and 400 prominent economists have stated that a melting Antarctica could be the best thing to happen for jobs and productivity since the last voyage of the Exxon Valdez.
The best solution to a slight rise of sea level will be to drive an appropriate vehicle. Something with a little more puddle clearance that has a small footprint. Hummer is the obvious choice, a Prius or other small rig is exactly what the terrorists want us to drive so that we can't negotiate a little standing water.
Don't even get me started on the end times and the fact that some of us (144,000 of the best of the best if you ask me) are going to avoid all of the drama anyway courtesy of the Rapture.
Forget about sea level rise, let's think about the important questions:
eh...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 8:45am.No firearms for the raptured
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 2:33pm.As Mike pointed out. If you are left behind get yourself a nice pump shotgun and a Bible. :-) You can have my boat too. Heck you can have the guns on my boat too.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Thpt! If you're chosen for
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:50am.It's not a necessity, Merwyn, it's a right.
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 6:20pm.Of course, there is little reason to think that guns will be necessary for the Rapturous, but it's right there on the stone tablets that Moses found on the high ground near Philadelphia, the Bill of Commandments:
There's a whole bunch of these rules, like don't covet your neighbor's ass or give testimony against your own mother or father, don't tax folks more than once because it's double jeopardy, and a whole bunch more. I can't keep track of all them, but I have never heard a good argument that indicates that we won't be able to keep the arms we have with us when the Rapture comes. I think the 2nd Commandment is essentially a sacred right, It doesn't say, you can bear arms except for the Rapture when you won't need them. The second commandment is literally etched in stone.
The Bill of Commandments is strangely silent on global warming and rising sea levels. I think some of us know exactly what that means.
Whatever happens with
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:25pm.Whatever happens with climate change, I think we, as human beings, will be capable of dealing with the consequences and adapting.
However, that doesn't give us an excuse to go around polluting and causing death and destruction for the less adaptable - both amongst humanity, as well as amongst other species and beings.
Look at the extinctions that industrial society has caused. It's unacceptable.
I like the vision of humanity assuming the role of stewards of the Earth, protectors of all species and of bio-diversity.
What humanity is currently doing to the planet is unacceptable to me...
Maybe my former submarine training,
Submitted by JT on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:57pm.will come in handy for patroling the downtown. :)
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
yellow?
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 6:21pm.That really made me laugh my ass off...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:48pm.New patrol vehicles coming?
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:52pm."Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
I'll fit a deck gun on
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 6:56pm.Libertarian and play surface support :-)
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Right on,
Submitted by JT on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:31pm.You know there are two types of ships in the ocean, "submarines and ....... targets",,,,hehe.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
Then I need depth charges too?
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:34pm.:-) I always thought there were two kinds of ships, sailing vessels and stinkpots :-p
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Oh you silly kids!
Submitted by Laurian on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 3:58pm.Bah...
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 9:06pm.The wind will always blow, and there will always be sailboats. I'm surprised with the rising cost of fuel, there isn't more talk of fitting cargo ships with masts and sails, or using kite sails on large craft to help save money.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."