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Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 02/18/2008 - 1:40pm.
You've heard by now of the massive recall of beef slaughtered by a company in Califoria. Here's the Humane Society video that prompted it. Very disturbing. If you are a sensitive sort, do not watch it. It might get others, including myself, to reconsider consumption choices. While some folks believe there are no ethical alternatives to consuming animal products, some might at least be encouraged to seek more ethical alternaitves to these factories. Any information on local alternatives?
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Good question...

 As I sit here in TugBoat Annies eating a bacon cheeseburger!  Thanks Gug... :-)

I would like to throw out hunting as one means of acquiring meat.  Nothing beats harvesting the animal yourself.

Some people I know have paid farmers to raise and care for a cow or pig until it reaches size.  I don't know of anyone doing that in Thurston County.  Sometimes in the fall you can find local farmers offering sides of beef they raised. 

I would be interested in purchasing fresh local organic beef and pork.  Fishing and shellfishing in clean waters is of course another option.  

 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

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I'm running out the door so

I'm running out the door so haven't had time to put this together but this is what I would suggest:

1) Realize that you don't need as much protein as the mainstream would have you believe. All whole grains, beans and lentils, and vegetables and fruit have protein so keep the animal protein to a minimum, if at all. I've posted references to protein requirements and how to get them met with a vegetarian diet elsewhere and will link them here if you like. Let me know.

2) If you'd like a transition to plant-based protein...try out the fake meats at Sunny Tree Restaurant. Again, this is to supplement a diet of whole foods rather than a primary source of protein. Also, the coop sells sandwiches from Hillside Quickie which are filled with plant based protein sources.

Thank you for your sensitivity to this issue. I'm encouraged to see your post, horrifying though the subject matter is.




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I'm fond of beans and rice

 Several times a week I simmer up a pot of organic pintos and rice.  Garlic, onion, a bit of crushed red pepper, some black pepper...  

Although I will add bacon or sausage sometimes...  My mom eats very little meat, but a lot of beans and those strange "veggie dogs" that aren't actually half bad especially when fried with a bit of butter... 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

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Get a burger at the Reef

The meat is organic. And the water is from an Artesian well. And it's inexpensive!
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The Reef...

I am torn about the Reef.  I can live with the service or lack thereof.  I like being left alone when I eat.  The last time I ate there though, the meat was overdone and the fries horrible.  In fact most of the time I skip fries altogether.  

What does keep me going back there is like Oldschool I have open carried in there a couple of times and nobody cared.  

I get breakfast there more than anything else.  No place else to get breakfast downtown early weekend mornings and close to the bus terminal. 

 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

 

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Ryan's always a good server,

Ryan's always a good server, and he's been there a couple years. The rest of the waitstaff has massive turnover: sometimes it's shoddy, sometimes it's exceptional. Of course I understand why the good servers don't want to spend their entire lives working there.

“I said it in Hebrew—I said it in Dutch—I said it in German and Greek: But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) That English is what you speak!”
The Hunting of the Snark

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Really it's the

Food for me. Lunchtime is too much a hit and miss as far as quality for me. Breakfast has seemed fairly uniform.

I like Clubside Cafe for dinner and lunch, but haven't OC'd in there yet... Yes, local business gets my business based on if they object to my practices :-) Believe it or not Larry's Guns is on my sh*t list.  But I'm wandering off topic.  Sorry.

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

 

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Back in line you two!



Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Thanks for the tip. Organic is better.

Still, organic beef is not necessarily the same as "ethically" grown and slaughtered beef. I realize the notion of "ethical" slaughter is paradoxical to some, but I think you know what I'm getting at. I'm thinking small, local, sutainable farming instead of the factory food system. I think most of us agree that would be a step in the right direction.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Ethical

Is best.  I understand where you are coming from with that.  Personally that is one reason I would harvest my own meat whenever possible.  I wonder if any of the butchers in town could point folks in the right direction to organic, ethical meat? 

 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

 

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Just one more reason to cut the meat out of the menu

if you can. 

I think we have to recognize that businesses lose revenue if they can't kill the sick animals and process them.

Is it fair to penalize these businesses because the cows they bought to butcher are sick?  

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Yes

 If nobody bought sick cows, sick cows would not be offered for sale.

 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

 

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Quite fair

I'm not sure anyone is sincerely making any arguments otherwise. Bad business practices are supposed to be penalized.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Meats

We buy the bison meat from the Olympia Food Co-op. Its higher in iron and lower in fat than beef. Sometimes we buy the organic beef from the Co-op as well. There are several farms that sell organic meats at the Farmer's Market, but its a little on the expensive side.

Its always a lot more expensive to buy organic meat than conventional, so we don't eat as much as a lot of Americans because we can't afford to.Its kind of like the old days, when meat was more of a luxury than a staple.

One thing about eating organic meats: you can really taste the difference. It is much better tasting than that Safeway stuff.

Jade

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I don't like to see animals

mistreated. I've been a hunter in my past, although the weather on this side of the mountains is not conducive to hunting for me. And, I don't believe animals are to receive the same protections as humans, like some of the more extreme animal activists. But the video that Gug talks about made me angry and sick. I hate to see animals suffer. The assholes that mistreated the animals in that area need to be prosecuted at a minimum. Even if the animals are set to be killed for food, be humane about it. Kill quickly and don't let them suffer.

No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits.  Climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world ever.Christine Stewart (the real basis for the AGW scare)

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I'm no Bill Frist...

...but those cows looked sick!

:)

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hee hee

I like that one!  But I don't eat much meat and I won't watch the video, so my sensibilities on the subject may be different than others.

And humor and Bill Frist aside, our feedlot and slaughterhouse systems are awful.  The system mistreats the animals, the medication and chemical exposure regimen may create risks for people eating the "healthy" animals, and the production line approach to production and killing of sentient beings should cause us to have some ethical considerations.  I think that is not an extreme position, I think it is an evolved position.

The prosecution of a few assembly line workers may very well happen due to this video, but I doubt there will be any investigation or indictment of the white collar criminals behind this system.  They are hiding behind a defense of implausible denialability and that defense usually works in the USA if you have enough money to get an attorney to push the defense forward.  It's expensive, but it does allow our jails to be filled with the poor and our police systems don't bother to count white collar crime because it is prosecuted so rarely the count would be an embarassment.    

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IS organic better?

Don't forget that this same thing DID happen in our own backyard in 2002... Remember Midway Meats in Chehalis??  http://www.kirotv.com/investigations/1868748/detail.html (maybe someone can pm me the directions how to insert the link into the text. thanks!)

That aside, this topic begs the question, is organic better? I think that point is debatable!! Beef animals fed corn are bad for you. Grass fed beef is higher in omega threes than corn fed beef and - guess what people - ORGANIC BEEF ANIMALS CAN SPEND THE LAST 45 DAYS OF THEIR LIFE IN A FEEDLOT!! It's true.  None of the local organic beef guys do this, but if you are buying organic beef from CA or the midwest, chances are these animals spent their last days on a dirt patch with no access to pasture.

Given the choice between buying organic meat at the coop or buying beef from my neighbor who doesn't vaccinate or give antibiotics (hardly any grass-fed beef guys give vaccinations or antibiotics unless its necessary), I'd choose my neighbors hands-down. Unfortunately, I don't have the space to buy half a cow, ,so we do buy our beef at the co-op.  I ALWAYS go for River Run Farm in Clatskanie, OR. They have grass fed beef, and their steaks actually won a New York Times competition for tastiest grass-fed steak a few years ago. There aren't many local organic beef farmers around, because there is a lack of certified organic slaughter facilities (all organic animals must be slaughtered and butchered at a certified organic meat shed). There's a mobile slaughter truck up north of Seattle, there's an organic beef person up there, Skagit River Ranch. You might be able to buy a certified organic beef animal locally and have it butchered a a meat shop of your choice, though. But then you're looking at buying a whole animal's worth of beef. There's also the Meat Shop in Tacoma who raises his own organic beef - a great guy, but has to bring his animals to Oregon to slaughter (I think). Not sure, but I think his animals are grain fed, at least they taste like it. Anyway, can you tell I've researched this??

p.s - terminology check.  A "cow" is a female bovine that has had a calf.  Most of the animals in the video are spent dairy cows, meaning that they've outlasted their usefullness are are now only good for ground beef (note that spent dairy animals on the average conventional dairy average 3-4 years old, while most organic dairy animals live to 5-7 years old).  Most of the ground beef we eat comes from spent dairy cows.  Most steaks and other cuts of meat come from "steers" or castrated males.  So, not all beef comes from cows, so it's incorrect to interchange "beef" and "cows." Sorry, just a minor pet peeve from a previous dairy girl.

And what about bulls?  well, unfortunatley if they have balls, they're pretty much good for nuthin' when their done.  :) couldn't resist. 

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I don't think the "organic" label

fixes this problem.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Maybe it's a step towards a safer cheeseburger...

....or a farm becoming actually sustainable. Testing would be an option but apparently the USDA or some one doesn't want that.

Sadly, if some Americans have been hurt by this bad beef, it may be years before the symptoms show.

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Not gonna watch it

I stopped hunting for a reason. Mistreatment of animals is horrible....I'm going to continue eating them though, soy just doesn't do it for me, and I can only eat so many sunflower seeds before my stomach goes sour.
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Hunting is a bit tough

 I don't especially enjoy killing animals and gutting them is far from my favorite thing, but at the same time there is something to be said for gathering and preparing your own meat.  Plus when I get up to Alaska, I better be willing to hunt!

Don't do much anymore living on a boat, not much room for meat storage.

 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

 

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Hunting is de rigueur in AK

unless you live near the coast, then it's fishing and hunting. 

Not much of a meat eater myself, so it's easy to favor quality over quantity.  And, it's always good to support your local farmers over corporate farms

Another thing to consider, if anyone's heard of it, is the blood type theory about what we should and should not eat.  According to doctors who believe in it, people w/ blood type O actually benefit from eating meat like good quality organic beef and buffalo, they're neutral for type Bs, and type As and ABs should avoid them.

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Not gonna watch it

I stopped hunting for a reason. Mistreatment of animals is horrible....
 
Well said, Norm.  My experience as well.   
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