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Submitted by StopDriving on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 4:42pm.
I would never participate in such an ironic display of civil disobedience but if I did I would go about it in the following way... I would first go to a website called zazzle.com and do a search for driving bumper stickers or just go -> here. Then I would get with a friend and pool up some money to order these bumper stickers in bulk for a discount. Lastly, I would wait until dark and ride my bike around town placing the stickers at high traffic stop signs. I would also check them periodically to note when they are taken down so I can sticker them again.
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I would never do that either...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 6:08pm....yet I like that it gets done.
Ugh. I see these every once
Submitted by Just another voice on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 6:15pm.Thanks for the message, but, perhaps the time spent at night putting these up could be spent working on one of the following WORTHWHILE projects:
1) Helping pass initiatives at the state level that increase funds for alternative transportation.
2) Increasing awareness of commute options for people that perhaps don't know HOW to start alternative commuting. (This one is my favorite because we really enjoy to tell people to 'TAKE THE BUS', but we don't quite know how to tell people to carpool, vanpool, telecommute or use flex schedules at work.
3) And speaking of flex scheduels and telecommuting, perhaps you should go to your own employer and encourage them to try a policy that allows telecommuting or flex-time policies.
4) Try volunteering or participating in programs that teach kids how to ride in the streets, and the rules of the road.
5) Work with neighborhood groups to assist in developing bike routes, safe routes to school, and other important projects that the city is interested in working on, too!
Or, go around and put these stickers on stop signs that tell people what they already know. Yes, a lot of people wish they could stop driving. And yes, a lot of people could stop driving. But they don't. We know this. The question is how do we get people that CAN stop driving to do it!
These stickers don't do anything to advance your cause, or that of alternative transportation. The money spent on making these stickers should go to actual programs that advance alternative transportation.
But I am Just Another Voice
How in the heck does anyone know if these
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 6:26pm.I just did a study with my
Submitted by Just another voice on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 6:34pm.But I am Just Another Voice
Just because it's a "study" doesn't mean it's meaningful
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:26pm.100%
Submitted by OlyDowntowner on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 8:52pm.Oh, the snark!
Submitted by Katherine on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 9:59pm.If I see any I won't wait
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 9:44pm.Kind of like how some pople treat Rossi signs. Cool.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:37pm.Wait, you mean because I
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:47pm.Wait, you mean because I fixed a Rossi sign. Mmmhmm... And I'll also fix the stop sign. If you think tearing down a Rossi sign is equal to removing a sticker from a stop sign you are off your game tonight.
I get the frustration but these types of things NEVER do anything to build awareness. Worse, they polarize the community (at least the small percentage here on Olyblog) and shift the focus away from their actual message. No, I don't have a study on that.
No...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 9:06am.I see two signs posted and people willing to tear both of them down. I'd rather they both stayed up unless they posed a danger to others.
No studies, yet you are bold enough to be bold. (deleted) The only thing that is polarizing here is the"self rightous" outrage of the message managers.
You're right, Gug. What
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:33am.You're right, Gug. What was I thinking? Did you forget that you can't alter road signs in any way?
I've got no problem with people posting their signs promoting whatever. Just don't do it on on street signs and such. Pretty simple stuff here.
Thanks for the sarcasm...again.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:15am.If you actually read my post, you'd notice that I was only talking about people who tear done signs (legal or not). A call them censors or messsage managers. The legality of the sign is irrelevant in that regard, unless one considers his or herself, judge, jury, and executioner.
I don't have to be judge,
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:38am.I don't have to be judge, jury, and/or executioner. I just have to be a law abiding citizen doing the right thing.
Great quote, though. I'll remember that for your oft sarcasm.
I have a quotation for huberous too...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:55am.I cannot believe you are serious
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:06am.1. a small print label attached to a stop sign is certainly a danger to everyone involved in the traffic equation. People should look at the sign and think "stop" not look at the sign and think, "Gee, I wonder what that little thing is on the stop sign". With so many distractions already involved with driving, this should not be one to add.
2. The difference between a giant ROSSI sign (easy to read) on the side of a road vs a small sign attached to a stop sign in an intersection seems pretty obvious to me, and should be to anyone.
I like the message, but go put a little paper sign right in front of all the rossi signs in town, not on stop signs. There are enough distractions with drivers today, and I don't feel there needs to be another, particularly on something so crucial as a stop sign.
You could be right Normie
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:31am.Never had one, don't plan on it within my lifetime either
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:52am.but really the politics doesn't concern me. If someone gets upset over a legal political sign along the roadside then we need to look at changing the law. Personally I hate the things, and would love to see them go, along with all television commercials, and all televised debate. I doubt you will find much sympathy though considering both sides use these signs to try and draw attention.
On the other hand, the little stickers on the stop signs are illegal. They possibly create a distraction, while being illegal and they will cost tax payers money when a city/county worker has to drive around and take the time to remove these stickers. It may not be difficult to remove one sticker, but it will certainly take time to remove them all, and continue to do so when someone with a message continues to place the stickers after they are removed. And that goes beyond being a political issue, it is an issue of safety, of legality, and the monetary value of paying a trained employee to drive around to remove stickers.
How Stupid
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:17pm.Stop Driveling
Submitted by OlyDowntowner on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:45pm.No, it wouldn't be easier to
Submitted by Just another voice on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:56pm.No, it wouldn't be easier to not comment. This is something that is trying to be promoted in our community and I would like to take a moment to say, no, this is stupid. And to expand, see my previous comment. The purpose it serves is to show that not everyone in OlyBlog thinks this is a super idea.
I also know that this sticking crap like this to stop signs takes a lot of time for our Public Works staff, when they could probably be doing a lot more worthwhile projects.
But I am Just Another Voice
Rght
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:00pm.Nc blmshftng!
Submitted by OlyDowntowner on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:14am.OldyDowntowner
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Here is the place where it is obvious that it's perfectly alright to advocate vandalism, destruction of property, even rioting in the streets. From simple stickers on stop signs, (using all sorts of chemicals to make and distribute, thust destroying the environment more) to the Port riots, it's all OK if it is somehow tied in to ineffective and amateurish "resistance" all in the name of toppling whatever power structure has you riled up over this week.
Hopefully, someday, Olympians who find this type of vandalism amusing and will grow up. Until then, we will have to suffer through these ongoing juvenile attempts to impose "real change" while the rest of society laughs at us. Until then, I will follow EG's lead and clean up any vandalism as best I can because I want to make Olympia beautiful and inviting, not look like the loonies all got loose from the asylum.
Your concern about a community that you refer to as "the Borg"
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:06am.Gug
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:59am.Let's be very, very clear
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:10pm.Steve asked me to join his site. I replied:
Whether or not you coined the phases is irrelavent. What matters is how frequently you use them. And you do so to such a significant degree that it's a detriment to a nice new blog that is trying to establish it's own identy.
As for the big, distracting Rossi signs, what I mean is that they are probably quite a distraction to Democrats, who are a good majority of Thurston County drivers. Kind of like a big Obama sign in Lincoln County. It's somewhat tongue in check.
In Reviewing My Posts There
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:29pm.I have made ONE thread where I mentioned TOS. Not THE BORG or any other name. Any other postings by me were made in response to OTHERS starting threads about the site.
In fact, I agree that mentioning OB in any fashion isn't productive and in over 200+, you won't find any current mention of OB from me. So there is no "significant degree that is a detriment" that can be attributed to me personally.
I am working hard to promote events and activities in Olympia and seeing to it that it's a place to feel comfortable and safe at. Free from abusive, comments attacking others opinions. I believe those of us who frequent it have learned many valuable lessons from OB and are working to apply them at OF. Is OF perfect? No. But neither is OB.
I don't know why your panties are all in a wad at just me. I haven't said or done anything wrong, just posted my opinion and stand behind it. If I were to react to you the way you're reacting to me, I would be considered an antagonist and abuser.
"How stupid" is you own form of vandalism
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:21pm.The sticker seems a little immature imo
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:02pm.I like it almost as much as...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:30pm.It's almost as if Beavis and
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:50pm.Vanilla Ice?
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:52pm.Here's a picture.
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:00am.It used to be on Division St.
I think it once read "Watch For Lice", also.
This is really good stuff -
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:41am.Well, it makes me...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:03pm.Same here. I guess I just
Submitted by OperaGirl on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:45pm.Same here. I guess I just embrace my inner third grader. Of course I also come from a family who constantly yelled out "STOP! A HEAD!" whenever we saw a "stop ahead" signs. I still imagine a head rolling around in the street when I see one of those signs.
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
But I am Just Another
Submitted by Just another voice on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 1:15pm.But I am Just Another Voice
Ha!
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 1:21pm.How 'bout...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:52pm.my favorite
Submitted by Katherine on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 1:57pm.That's hilarious
Submitted by JulieM on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 2:12pm.Yet extraordinarily dangerous
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 2:50pm.Nice to see
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:42pm.Defacing traffic signs is Hip and Dumb
Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 4:43pm.As to STOP driving. Screw you. Most of us have to drive and some of us even like to drive. Doesn't riding your bike or the bus give you enough of a sense of superiority?
Keep
Driving
Sorry Laurian
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 5:08pm.Actually, no
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 5:17pm.unfortunately...
Submitted by chad360 on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:14pm....many folks really can not live without a car, and that is a sad fact of life these days (be it distance from work or whatever): I think driving is fun, but I don't celebrate my dwindling ability to enjoy the luxury...
...I try to conserve gas & cut-down on trips by bicycling & walking & taking public transpo/car-sharing when I have the time...
...I prefer to "use up" all my miles on road-trips my whole family can enjoy, but what I mostly end up doing is planning more efficient shopping trips and cutting down on the amount of shopping trips (need more time off from work for vacation!).
In Oly, I have a great time shopping for remodeling stuff "at bicycle/pedestrian level", and really getting a good feeling for shops and stores is nice, but where I really enjoy this is out in Lacey and also in South Olympia, near the airport (oh, wait, isn't that area called Tumwater? =), where there are all kinds of companies and businesses, some with great deals (just not downtown storefronts).
Discussion
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 07/26/2008 - 3:17pm.Automobiles and the culture that they engender are having terrible and harmful consequences on society and on the Earth. Sure, cars are a great way to get around, but the by-products and the direct consequences of mass private transport are profoundly harmful. For one, cars need roads, and roads are, to varying degrees, destructive to the natural world. Secondly, look at the problems with air pollution. This is not even to mention the more sociological impacts of driving (territorialism, road rage, violent accidents, etc.)
The world would be better off if everyone who could manage it would do even just a little bit to reduce their own personal reliance on automotive transport. But if we could manage to wean ourselves and society off of the vast majority of automotive use, then this would be a much better world.
So, thanks for promoting discussion about it!