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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 5:28am.

TJ, via email:

Earlier today the Olympia City Council General Government Committee (Jeff Kingsbury, Rhenda Strub, Craig Ottavelli) voted unanimously to repeal the city’s Nuclear Free Zone Ordinance.  The recommendation to repeal will come before the Olympia City Council at 7pm September 9th.

The vote came after city staff told the committee that out of all of the correspondence the city has received on the issue since January 1, 2004 through today, 216 people favored the ordinance, 38 opposed it, and 28 had no opinion.  In other words despite the fact that 76% of the people who weighed in on the issue favored the ordinance, the committee voted to repeal it.

City staff also reported that they had done research to determine whether the contracting provisions of the ordinance were a burden for city staff, and whether any potential contractors had refused to sign contracts because of the nuclear free provision.  They found that the contract language was NOT a burden on city staff, and that only one potential contractor (a local carpenter) had refused to sign and decided he did not want to work for the city.  In other words, the ordinance has no significant administrative burden, yet the committee voted to repeal it.


Responding to question from Ottavelli, City Attorney Tom Morrill said that he does NOT believe the ordinance poses any additional risk or liability to the City.  Yet the committee voted to repeal it.

In other words, there is no legitimate reason to repeal the ordinance.  Yet the committee voted to repeal it anyway.

While there were numerous ludicrous comments offered by the committee as they made the case for repeal (“all vets oppose the ordinance” “we don’t live in a democracy”) one of the most outlandish came from Rhenda Strub, who said that taking stands on important issues reduces the council’s moral authority.  Huh?  What good is moral authority if it’s not used to advance important issues?

It’s very clear that the decision to overturn the ordinance is pure politics and is designed to appease a small minority - especially the cabal that runs The Olympian, who seem to be setting the city’s agenda these days.   Meanwhile it’s a slap in the face to the hundreds of Olympians that educated the community, attended the public hearings, and voiced support for the ordinance.

So, where do we go from here?

There will be a meeting at Traditions next Wednesday, Sept. 3 at 8:30 pm to consider our options.  Ideas being considered include a massive turnout at the City Council meeting on Aug. 9, a citizen’s initiative for a tough, enforceable ordinance, and various creative means of free expression.

In the meantime, there are several things you can do:

1) Contact the city council at citycouncil@ci.olympia.wa.us and tell them how you feel

2) Send a letter to the editor of The Olympian expressing your support

3) Send information to your friends and sympathetic organizations locally, statewide, nationally and internationally and ask them to contact the city council

Basic math indicates that we have an uphill fight.  At least 5 of the 7 council members will probably vote to repeal the ordinance unless we can change their minds.  But we must try.  To let this slide through without opposition will be yet another blow to Olympia’s rapidly eroding reputation as a community that embraces civic participation, democracy, sustainability and peace.

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It was important to show

It was important to show that the city will now focus on city business instead of foolishness like the ordinance. It is nice to have a reasonable council.
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So, wilson, you're

So, wilson, you're suggesting that the ordinance should be repealed because that will send a message that "the city will now focus on city business..." In that case, how was it "foolishness" to send a message by passing the ordinance in the first place?

Also, how is determining standards for city contracting not city business?

In this debate, not one single opponent of the ordinance has given even one single practical argument against it. It distracts the city council? How? The council literally never needs to think about it again -- unless it chooses to bring it up (which it now has...so the council seems to be distracting itself).

And not one single opponent of the ordinance has given even one single value-based argument against it. Do you like nuclear weapons?

I'm honestly trying to figure this out: why exactly do you oppose the ordinance?

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"If you don't like the NFZ

"If you don't like the NFZ ordinance, than you like nuclear weapons!!!" Yea, that's it. I want this ordinance repealed because I <3 them. I want this ordinance repealed because the scope of the city council needs to be here, at home, where we have dozens of serious issues that need addressing. Actually, they probably should just leave this topic behind and go on with the regular issues and not repeal it, but whatever. I really don't know what discussion Olympia, Washington is having with Iran on nuclear weapons? Anyway, it is kind of interesting because neither side has any real single value-based argument for or against. This ordinance has not stopped us from recieving shipments of military equipment, we haven't stopped using motorola or uniden radios, we haven't stopped using 3M products, we haven't stopped using Honeywell thermostats, we haven't stopped using Intel in our computers. What has this done besides shown us as being pretty and nice as a city and sending form letters to countries across the globe? Which probably end up in a bin somewhere with the thousands of other protest letters.

But I am Just Another Voice

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Well, actually, when we

Well, actually, when we passed the ordinance originally, a few folks told us how nuclear weapons defeated the Japanese and the Russians, so we ought to be thankful for nukes.

If we haven't stopped buying equipment from nuclear weapons manufacturers, then let's strengthen the ordinance, not repeal it. After all, the purchasing decision piece is the real practical element of this. But of course, that's not really what you mean; you're just using any old argument regardless of internal consistency.

Here's a value-based argument for the ordinance: our tax money should not be used to support corporations (and their shareholders) which profit by manufacturing the deadliest weapons in existence.

What's wrong with "being pretty and nice"?

More importantly than all that, it's easy to think of local issues that the city council has not yet solved (depending on your point of view). But can you name one local issue that the city council has failed to address because of the nuclear free ordinance?

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Fortune Teller, too?

But of course, that's not really what you mean; you're just using any old argument regardless of internal consistency.

Must be nice to see into people's minds and tell them how they're really thinking.

The city was never serious about this from the beginning.  Shoot, even TJ knew it was a piece of feel good legislation.  Otherwise, how do you explain Section 6A, 6B, and 6C?  How do explain the stance taken when Clarkson challenged us?

Enforce it without section 6 or repeal it.  But then you still look soft because the Feds can roll-up and down I-5 at will.  They can roll up and down West Bay Drive with Nukes if they really wanted to - we're not going to stop them with a silly ordinance.

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I can recognize duplicitous

I can recognize duplicitous "that's not really why I oppose it but it sounds good so I'll say it anyway" arguments. Councilmembers hear them often.

No law has ever been perfectly enforceable. And we all know that city government has very limited jurisdiction against the federal government. So what? We do the best we can.

"Look soft"? AH-HA! We finally have arrived at the heart of the issue!

Some people think that supporting peace, and potentially looking silly while doing it, is soft and weak and [fill in more adjectives that mean "not strong and tough enough"]. And the fear of looking soft and weak in the eyes of others is absolutely the scariest thing in the world to them. For their own sense of self-worth, they cannot stand the possibility that they or the community they live in (which would reflect upon them) be seen that way. Hence, the over-the-top emotional reaction to the ordinance, far in excess of any practical impact it has on anything.

That, my friends, is the real reason for the opposition. (Except for those few people who really do like nukes.)

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So why an ordinance and not

So why an ordinance and not a resolution?

It doesn't matter anyway - it's gone.

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It's gone, baby, gone.

Bombs away!

Hey seriously though, don't count it out. There is still time to insert reason and public opinion into the process.

The people want the ordinance. The people disapprove of lawlessness and the immorality of violence at the national and international levels of government and business.

It's a republic. And unless there is some disaster that happens, it seems that the Council is obligated to take into account the opinion of the public in their decision making.

Is the opinion of the public reasonable? Does the ordinance serve the cause of making a better world through the admonishment of the nuclear weapons industry?

Do you think it is moral to make money off of nuclear weapons?

I think it is immoral to make money off of weapons of any kind - any kind of violence. This should be part of our societal ethics and law.

Therein the ordinance. There it is. Waiting for love and attention. Waiting for people to pick it up and use it. To dialogue. About the economics of violence, weapons and war. About future generations. About what kind of society that we want to live in.

I still don't understand your objection to the ordinance. It's because it's not effective, right?

Well I will tell you what. It's effective for me. It makes me feel good - and proud about Olympia. And no matter what the Council decides, I will still feel proud of Olympia.

I know that the people of Olympia are good and honest people who care about the well-being of others - of everyone (well at least by far and away most people in Olympia are.)

The ordinance is effective. It embodies a vision for a better world. And it has the potential to be enforceable, in time. Good things require effort, patience, and sometimes, perseverance.




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You're right. This ordinance

You're right. This ordinance is soft-- that is the problem! If we wanted to 'get real' on the NFZ, then we would a city council that would actually pass an ordinance that refused to do business or have products by the numerous companies that have a hand in nukes.

But what do we have? A piece of paper for contractors to sign? And a few clauses in the ordinance that give an 'out' to certain people and places. Lame!

You're right that we don't have much sway over the feds, so let's do what we can at home. The problem is that it is somewhat unfeasible to pass a hardcore ordinance that won't allow the city to do business or have any products that have come from corporations that do nuclear.

We would have to remove all our traffic signs made by 3M reflective material, shred most of our post-it notes, get rid of all our motorola radios in city trucks, police, and fire vehicles, remove all intel computers, get rid of everything GE, probably a lot of cellphones would need to be replaced. We may also need to replace the smoke detectors.

Instead we write form letters. Yippie. They know that being a truly NFZ, we would need to do much more than write letters.

Let's stop pretending that we are a NFZ.

But I am Just Another Voice

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Good things take time. effort. patience...

Why not let it be, so that in time it can develop and grow into an effective organ for societal betterment?




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The Olympian

It is kind of uncanny how The Olympian is writting a lot of editorials telling the city council what to do and then it happens.
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I'm still confused. The

I'm still confused.

The city still does business or has products with Motorola, Intel, Honeywell, 3M (sticky notes, anyone?) and dozens of other large corporations that have a hand in nuclear business.

Unless this ordinance was created in a way that regulated down to the paper clips they buy, then it will remain a pretty piece of legislation.

I guess my big question is, what has this ordinance accomplished? Other than telling people were are a 'nuclear free city', we haven't turned away any vendors or businesses or products that may actually be invested or involved in nuclear business. Except for that local contractor, of course.

But I am Just Another Voice

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What this bill has

What this bill has accomplished is that Olympia has written letters to nations with nuclear weapons to inform them of Olympia's nuclear free status. Iran- among other nations has responded. Thus dialogue has been opened between a city who (theoretically) opposes nuclear weapons and countries who invest in nuclear weapons. The US and every corporation/person in it is involved in nuclear business. The challenge now is getting out of that business. I am not opposed to using nuclear in place of coal, and I am in favor of opening dialogue between nations like Iran and the US. Even if that dialogue simply consists of Iran denying the truth, that is dialogue between Iran and Olympia. I see that as a good thing and a rare thing that would not occur without this unique ordinance. Since the NFZ does not cost Olympia anything, we have to wonder what the REAL reason is for repealing it.
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Iran

Keith, do you intend to imply that Iran is a country that invests, or seeks to invest, in nuclear weapons? Iran has been clear and unequivocal that it is not in pursuit of, and does not intend to pursue, nuclear weapons. In the absence of proof to the contrary, wouldn't it be reasonable to at least appear to take Iran at its word?




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216 in favor | 38 opposed

Okay. so it's a quantitative landslide. How about the qualitative side of things? I wonder how much time and attention the Council Members spent on the quality of the various arguments for v. against.

I think it is time to have a serious and meaningful conversation about values, morals, ethics, law, and society.

Check THE FAMILY: THE ELITE FUNDAMENTALISM AT THE HEART OF AMERICAN POWER

Yes. maybe it's time to connect the dots.




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September 3rd Meeting

I wasn't aware that the meeting on September 3rd was going to be about the NFZ Repeal. My understanding was that that meeting was designed to be an opening session in an ongoing dialogue about broader community issues and that participation was going to be very inclusive - something that might be difficult if focus of the meeting is going to be on the topic of a response to the recommended repeal of the NFZO.




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clarification

The "Repeal Recommendation Response" meeting will be held at 8:30 pm, after the normally scheduled "Community Dialogue."




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