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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 10:32am.
Olympia is fortunate to have an active and passionate resistance to the illegal and unjust wars of aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan. The nation is in dire straits, as the following information attests to. Vincent Bugliosi, who has championed the successful prosecution of 21 murder suspects, has accused President Bush of no less than murder. I think articles like this are important background for community understanding behind certain protest actions including, but not limited to, the Port Militarization Resistance blockade campaigns:
» DemocracyNow.orgread more: www.democracynow.org/2008/6/13/citing_iraq_war_renowned_attorney_vincent, the 20 minute interview is available for download, starting at about 37 minutes into the June 13th show.
Also see the website for the book: www.prosecutionofbush.com
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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 12:08pm.I keep trying
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 12:17pm.But I am missing the hyperlocal connection here. Or do a few hastily mashed together bits of Oly activism work now? It is a bit of a reach.
I'm not complaining about the subject, I always thought olyblog was more interesting when off topic stuff like this was more common.
Of course even if this is taken down for non hyperlocal, the desired results (i.e., a bunch of people seeing this before it is deleted) will have been achieved, which suggests to me a deliberate ignoring of the hyperlocal rule.
*sigh*
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 2:51pm.Go do something good for OlyBlog. It'd be refreshing.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Yargh
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 2:55pm.So I can't call out non hyperlocal content now?
At any rate I've put up one solid hyperlocal post recently. Would have a couple more, but I think most wouldn't be too interested in it, so I didn't.
I gather Robert's non hyperlocal anti Bush rant will stay up?
yargh
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 3:01pm.Olympia is deeply embroiled in the anti-war movement. I think this is hyperlocal.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
I am deeply
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 3:05pm.Embroiled in the gun rights movement. Does that make what happens in say California hyperlocal because I am involved with a group that is involved with something in California?
OlyBlog is devoted to hyperlocal news and discussion specifically about Olympia, Washington.
Now I understand hyperlocal was accepted to include parts of Lewis and Greys Harbor Counties as well as Thurston County which is why I posted about Montesano. I did not post about Seattle doing something as stupid because even though I am "embroiled" with the movement seeking to ensure Seattle does not pass an illegal guns in parks ban it is not hyperlocal.
Allowing this post about bush to stand (and I hate the guy BTW) smacks of political favoritism.
Can I post some anti Obama stuff now then?
Under-Represented
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 4:21pm.Ummm
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 4:24pm.Gun rights have nothing to do with poaching and killing natives. Read the State Constitution.
Anyway this is Oly gun rights are way underrepresented.
I don't see anything in the OB mission statement about "the little guy" I see a requirement for hyperlocal and this thread does not meet it, yet it is allowed to slide under the cracks for whatever reason. And that pisses me off because a double standard is played here.
I have been called to task so often by the same people letting this non hyperlocal garbage through, that I am going to do the same.
This Post Kinda Ranks Right Up There
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 10:51pm.with that whole Ken Griffey post huh?
No hyperlocal content in either posting...
you two
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 10:59pm.rank right up there with the boy who cried wolf.
Some helpful hints from your local docent:
Being a productive member of OlyBlog is an excellent way to find a sympathetic audience. Continuously knocking a true grass roots attempt at community building is an excellent way to find yourself performing in the middle of an empty theater.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Lucky For Us
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:18pm.we know if we were to ever really cry wolf, no matter what, JT would come running every time we did so I'm OK with your using a fable to label and judge me without really knowing me.
And to quote you, is your response really productive and helpful to the blog?
yes
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:22pm.Yes it is. I am giving you direct insight into how to ensure people listen to you in this space. With production comes voice, with constant complaining comes crickets in prairie grass.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
not going off
Submitted by chad360 on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 6:18pm.done
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I thought
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:39pm.Part of being productive was making sure stuff posted was part of what the blog is supposed to be about.
" OlyBlog is devoted to hyperlocal news and discussion specifically about Olympia, Washington."
Again, just because a bunch of people are into something and supposedly marginalized does not make it hyperlocal.
On that token, I may as well make being a linux user hyperlocal, give as mebbe 5% of all computers run linux. Seems pretty dang marginal to me. Mebbe I should start random posts about the evils of Microsoft, and the desktop wars, etc....
But they are not hyperlocal per se are they?
Mebbe Rob W got his free non hyperlocal pass, but I'll wager money if someone had made an anti obama post with no firm hyperlocal connection it would get shot down.
what are you talking about?
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:46pm.There is an active local base of war resistors who have, if I'm not mistaken, made the front page of the local rag as well as made splashes in national and international news. News pertinent to this very local population is indeed hyperlocal. I believe there's a linux group that meets up once a month or so here in town. Feel free to go to their meetings, find out what's important to them and report on it all here.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Then where is
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:04am.The hyperlocal connection to this book Robert is talking about?
If I post about Linux in general it is no more hyperlocal than this thread. If I go to a Linux users group meeting here in Oly then it becomes hyperlocal if I disucss what went on there specifically.
Writing this as a book review would probably have worked too. This isn't a book review either. It's a plug for a book, and to get in some more "I hate George Bush the war criminal" crap.
So there is no firm tie in to the local antiwar movement, nor is it even an honest book review. It's not hyperlocal either.
If this is what passes for hyperlocal now, believe me I could start pulling some weird stuff out of my butt too. But that would drive OB downhill, just like more of this stuff will.
+1
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:07am.*crickets and night*
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:30am.Maybe you can go log a complaint on your blog. Somebody might be listening to you over there.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
My website
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 6:26am.Isn't about Olyblog, and I have better things to do with my bandwidth that drag the arguments here over there.
I wish you would take the chip off your shoulder.
huh
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:31pm.A chip? Here I was characterizing this all as "callin' it like I see it." If you spent on average over two hours without pay per week answering e-mail complaints and responding to criticisms by or about the same person I would suspect you'd grow pretty damn tired of the b.s. as well. As I said in personal messages, I'm at the put-up-or-shut-up phase.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
local relevance
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:30am.Gun rights is not a hyper-local issue - but direct action, represented by PMR and other Peace and Justice organizations like the Impeachment Group, similar to prosecuting Mr. Bush for Murder, is.
Prosecuting Bush for Murder gives me all the more reason to oppose this unnecessary and unjust war. For the sake of the troops, the nation, myself, the future, the people of the USA, Afghanistan and Iraq: stop the war. - It can stop right here in Olympia.
Steve6: Did you read the whole article [linked above]?
Dude
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 6:34am.If you stretch much further reality is going to burst.
You won't be touched on this because you are a docent, and because it is fashionable to be anti bush.
You have again failed to make a firm solid hyperlocal connection. Instead you blather on about how this group is connect to this ideal, which in turn is releated to some angry greeners, which is bundled with some guys with signs, which is grouped with another small local group, who doesn't like the war, etc...
It's like the guys in Tiajuana who always "know someone who knows someone" by that token EVERYTHING is hyperlocal, but only if it can be warped and bent to fit an agenda.
I swear I'm going to find the most offensive topic I can, but SO firmly hyperlocal and SO well researched...
OTOH why bother? I'll just create some weird reach about how it is hyperlocal, and hope it fits a political agenda.
Wikipedia's definition to hyperlocal which is linked up as an example of the hyperlocal journalism OB supposedly wants does not say anything remotely related to your stretch of reality.
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The term "hyperlocal" is sometimes used to refer to news coverage of community-level events usually overlooked by mainstream media outlets."
COMMUNITY LEVEL EVENTS.
This book is not a community level event.
It's a book.
And this isn't even a book reveiw. It's cut and paste journalism at it's best.
A book in and of itself is not an event. And I found out about this book through mainstream media, long before it ever showed up here.
I'm sorry your definition doesn't work here.
But if that is now the new and accepted definition, I can come up with some Obama stuff. I feel pretty marginalized right now, since everyone and their grandma in this town is swooning over him.
Come on Rob, I could care less about your allegations about Bush in this case. I've heard 'em so many times from so many places I get the idea.
If you had actually read the stupid book and made this into a review instead of a cut and paste I wouldnt' be saying anything at all.
What blows my mind is that this is still staying up.Listening
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 9:52am.Six and Onry
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:33am.nt
Submitted by Mike on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 8:16am.The hyperlocal connection
Submitted by Laurian on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 9:16am.to Vincent B's hawking a new book is non-existent. I loath Bush, support the Port Resistance Movement etc. I gotta agree the local content of a cut and paste advertisement for a book written by someone who doesn't live anywhere near Olympia nor to the best on my knowledge has interacted with this community is nil.
I am alarmed at the sniping at S6 and others who initially raised the question. The body of enpen's comments as summarized by 'Maybe you can go log a complaint on your blog. Somebody might be listening to you over there.' strikes me as needlessly snarky and suprising in light of enpen's usually constructive and informative writing on hyperlocal content.
They aren't really talkng about
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 9:56am.Drama. That's why I go to the Theater.
Submitted by Laurian on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 10:40am.Yup
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:33pm.I'm tired of it. I think we should start implementing a pay-per-complaint model. Either that or billable hours.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Perhaps you guys should start posting how much time
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:49pm.that's been under discussion
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 3:09pm.In the almost 2 months I've been keeping track I have spent about 35 minutes preparing for promotion to the front page posts by OlyBlogger "slevent". I have enjoyed every minute of it.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Excellent!
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 3:40pm.Book Cover
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 4:43pm.Check it out!
Also, if you want to listen to the DN interview with Bugliosi, here's a direct link to the mp3: media.switchpod.com/users/democracynow/ftp/dn2008-0613-1.mp3
Hey!
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 5:10pm.Letters in some of the words on the cover actually spell "Olympia!"
If that's not hyperlocal, damnit, then I don't know what is!
"Olympia"
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 12:52am.It's good to know that Olyblog has fallen to anarchy
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 6:04pm.If you contribute enough, you can break the hyper-local rule. It all makes sense now. I'm gonna go take pictures of the local graffiti and explain why it looks like absolute sht and why Olympia would be better off with extra patrols so the little morons who paint the crap go to jail. THEN I'm sure I can break the hyper-local rule. Gosh that would be much better.
Go ahead and jump Enpen, but you know that you have been talking out your butt for this whole thread. Rob's thread isn't even slightly local. There's a strong number of eaters in town as well, should we post about restaurants around the country? I bet a lot of TV watchers are in Olympia, let's talk about TV.
Olyblog is going to pot and it all revolves around the same people who can get away with whatever they want.
I agree that Rob's post doesn't cut it as hyperlocal
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 6:28pm."I'm gonna go take pictures of the local graffiti..."
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 11:40pm.I look forward to your contribution.
Rob, an active participant in the anti-war movement, prefaced his recommendation of his post by saying: "I think articles like this are important background for community understanding behind certain protest actions including, but not limited to, the Port Militarization Resistance blockade campaigns." I'll stand by the hyper-local assertion. Is it loose? Yeah. Is there a lot of gray in life? You bet. Do some people, seemingly unfairly, have an easier time managing that gray than others? All the time. We're doing our best here. Thanks for keeping that in mind.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Thanks
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 1:04am.Maybe it's a loose connection. But I think people are complaining more because the content is provocative and agitating, rather than for any lack of a real hyper-local relevance.
After all, this ties in directly with the recent escalation in persecutions of protesters for engaging in civil resistance against the illegal actions of their government. Now we know that President Bush knowingly made false statements in order to conjure the nation into war.
Protesters who had the courage to stand up to the illegal actions of their government are now being persecuted for doing the right thing. So we'll see how successful the prosecution is. $50,000 for the city to prosecute might go a fair way. Money has power, but truth is more powerful ounce for ounce. Truth coupled with a citizenry that is dedicated to end unjust wars of aggression is a formidable opponent, underdog though it may be. The moral compass reads true. Will these protesters will be vindicated by the light of truth and the scales of justice?
Our president is accused of murder by one of the nation's most successful prosecuting attorneys, meanwhile the mainstream media has all but blacked out coverage of what is likely to become a best-selling book of the very same topic.
I would say that this nation is well along the path to fascism, at least according to Naomi Wolf's 10-step blueprint for closing down democracy...
I am just glad to know that S^6 is here to defend us against the tyranny of the state. Right?
http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/excerpts.php
Don't flatter yourself
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 9:21am.There Rob :-p I for one am not complaining because of the "provocative content" but because it does not seem to fit in with the rather firm hyperlocal rules that have been recently established. That's it. Sorry. I got more provocative things than your post in my breakfast cereal.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Oh man...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 9:27am.Cocoa Crispies
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 9:28am.Thank you very much. Captain Crunch starts to resemble glue after it get soggy.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Nothing...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 12:33am.Did Anybody Know
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 7:07pm.I think enpen is referring to
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 7:50pm.First you recommend the code speak
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 11:42pm.then you give away the key. Remind me not to tell you any secrets come Revolution.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Damn!
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 11:54pm.nice save
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 11:59pm."In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Sometimes we must consider
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 9:59pm.willie wonka chocalate factory?
Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 1:29pm.pound for pound over hyperlocal quality.
enter the mythical ying yang of readership.
Olyblog's tasetful treats.
Huh? I read it five times and I don't get it. Is this a mis-directed will_is_ok post? LOL.
It's a Dense Nugget of Fudge
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 3:20pm.Ah. Chewy goodness
Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 4:55pm....pure gold.
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 5:11pm.The case that Bush, as President, knowingly misled the public in order to go to war in Iraq - is very strong.
It would be a shame if the Democrats used the partisan agenda to gain electoral advantage as an excuse not to impeach. Especially in light of the fact that holding Bush accountable would probably work in the favor of Democrats, electorally.
I wouldn't be too sure of the following:
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 5:36pm.partisan politics
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 5:59pm.I'm certainly sympathectic Rob,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 9:21pm.This country is hurting and in trouble!
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 9:31pm.If they would have stuck it to Nixon, do you think that Bush would have been less likely to get away with what he has here?
This is about setting a precedent. Our country is in dire straits. Yes, I prefer Obama to McCain. To say that it is either impeachment or Obama is a false dichotomy - it is buying into big media's hi-jacking of our nation.
We must impeach, and keep in mind that holding bush accountable is a matter of being a witness to CRIMES. It is not politics, no matter what the mainstream corporate media bashes your brain with.
This is about holding criminals accountable for thousands of unnecessary deaths, for the suffering of millions.
I don't like
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 9:35pm.The notion of "international law" Nor do I like what Bush has done to Iraq. If congress had any balls this whole thing wouldn't have started, or have been allowed to continue, but as is the nation, congress is pretty divided.
That said, I would refuse to hand any US citizen over to a foreign court for crimes commited within the borders of the United States, no matter how far reaching the offenses. US Courts have plenty they could indict bush on, and charge him with once he leaves office.
I don't think the judiciary in this country has the backbone to do that though. So we will have to chalk this up to a bad 8 years, and hope McCain or Obama don't make things worse for us.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
From Fudge to Gun Powder
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 10:11pm.Don't let
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 10:13pm.Your romanticism get in the way of reality. War has always been hell. Before gunpowder, there were bows and crossbows, the "assault weapons" of their day. A longbowman, or a crossbowman was feared becasue they could take out armored men. Before that, there was simple crude hack and slash between armies. So-called "Christian" Eurpope suffered under many wars fought between conscript peasant armies. Rape, pillage, sacking of towns, etc... were common, and even expected. Looting a town, and raping a local woman was all part and parcel of the soldiers life at times.
The vikings plundered and sacked. The Romans plundered and sacked. And it goes on and on and on throughout history.
Your ideal makes a good hollywood movie, but it does not stand up to the reality test.
Gun powder is just another tool in a long line of killing machines. If there were no guns I would be running around with a sword and a tomahawk, and keeping a bow and spear on my boat.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Witness to Crimes
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 06/15/2008 - 10:21pm.* Comments Closed.