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Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 12:23am.
Now I've pretty well established I wear my handgun visible most of the time. However the weight of the gun on my hip (visible or concealed) gives a nerve in my leg some grief. I'm thinking about switching to a shoulder holster, so I rigged this up tonight. Just wondering if some think this would be more "surprising" than seeing the same gun on my hip. I like it too because it keeps both of my hands away from my weapon on the odd chance of a LEO encounter, and also lessens the likelhood that someone seeing me just with my hands at my side will think I'm going for my gun. I'm not going to stop OCing, but I think this may be more comfortable both for myself and some of the public as a whole. Thoughts? Thanks! (Not a very good pic, I apologize, I don't take good self portraits!) :-)
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IMHO
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 9:24am.I would say, nice strap you got on their Steve.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 9:47am.I suppose it would mitigate all those issues you are dealing with. It also makes you look more "official." People are used to seeing shoulder holsters on people who don't wear a uniform (on the TV). They'll think you're a private dick or something. Of course, wearing a jacket would make you yet another closet carrier. Nice strap by the way.
Justine Timberlake carries:
One of the funniest SNL spoofs in a long time.
LOL
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:01am.I'm not going for any sort of "official" look at all. I'm mainly going for personal comfort, and also ease of switching from open to conceal carry or vice versa. With a shoulder rig it is a bit easier to slip a shirt or coat over it and conceal all the way IF I choose.
At some point the wearing of weapons will be normalized again. I see people carrying large knives all the time around here.
Mainly I wanted to take the weight off of my hip. A loaded 1911a1 or 6" barrel .357 is not light... :-)
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
I would say.....
Submitted by sasqwatcher on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:46am.It's Scary!
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:08am.I would also want to know that you weren't going to threaten anyone with it.
For me, it's not just about guns, it's about weapons in general. I don't think we should use weapons on each other. So it wouldn't matter if it was a sword, a pistol, or a sawed off shotgun (or an uzi, or whatever) - if it is meant to be used against another human being, I don't think it has a place in civil society, period.
I also think it raises important questions, and I think this provides a good opportunity for that.
For example, do you desire to openly carry a firearm (presumably loaded) because you feel insecure?- Or do you desire more security?
- What is the source of those feelings?
- What do you feel that you need protection from?
- What is the likelihood that you would ever resort to using your firearm in a situation where you might possibly feel threatened?
- What would constitute a situation in which you would use the pistol?
Finally, are you planning to open carry your weapon in the manner illustrated above?
Well
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:32am.At least you are applying this to weapons in general. That said...
You can observe someone's behavior and make your own decision if they are threatening. I've made my viewpoint on the carrying of arms pretty plain here. I would only draw in defense of my own life or someone elses. So yes, I would be more than willing to threaten a violent criminal with my gun.
For example, do you desire to openly carry a firearm (presumably loaded) because you feel insecure?
- Or do you desire more security?
- I desire to have the ability to protect myself.
- What is the source of those feelings?
- The right to self protection is a fundamental and basic human liberty. One commonly denied minorities by people seeking to opresess them. Even Ghandi considered the denial of the use of arms to the Indian people a social injustice.
- What do you feel that you need protection from?
- Those who seek to cause harm of course. Why else would there be a need for protection?
- What is the likelihood that you would ever resort to using your firearm in a situation where you might possibly feel threatened?
- I hope never.
- What would constitute a situation in which you would use the pistol?
- Where I was in risk of grave bodily harm or of losing my life, or if another person was facing the same risk, or to prevent a violent felony where a similar risk was present, or in case of civil insurrection in personal defense or defense of the state.
And yes I do plan to carry this way at some point. I already carry that same gun on my hip, and in fact will be doing so in a few minutes when I head downtown.Of course it's loaded. I open carry because it is more comfortable and because I prefer to. Feeling insecure has nothing to do with it. Why do you wear a seatbelt? Keep a fire extinguisher? First aid kit? I carry the gun because it is my right, and because police cannot be everywhere. Plus to me it is the ultimate hypocrisy to be willing to call upon the services of armed people, but not be willing to be armed myself.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Nice Jacket!
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:19am.Dunno
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:33am.It was a gift, and it is comfy. I like it. Thanks for the compliment.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Oh wait...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 1:15pm.it is all good...
Submitted by chad360 on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 2:33pm....I only "worry" when the gun is out of the holster =)
Seriously, I'm not afraid or "put-out" if you wanna OC-
-in fact, I'm on record here today in support of OC in Olympia...citizens need to be prepared, and cops & robbers shouldn't have all the guns, but...
...if I could just get folks used to the idea of swords & daggers I'd be in >heaven<
Snapping a cap in someone is way different than having to back up your BS with a duel (hand-to-hand), and I'd almost rather get shot than get stabbed or cut (...if the issue is all about deterrence, then blades beat guns any day in my book =).
"Sir, do you bite your thumb at me, Sir?"
Right up my alley: daggers, tights, and dudes with long hair!
Then
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 4:14pm.Make like Nike and just do it! :-)
Seriously in Olympia swords are legal. Daggers may not be per state law but I'd have check. Olympia mirrors state law on blades, and if you feel comfortable carrying a large blade I would encourage it. The work I've done with open carry of a weapon here will apply to you to a large degree. If you don't feel comfortable carrying one by yourself let me know and we can meet up and hang out.
But seriously there should be no problem walking around with a sword or large blade.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Lookin' good Steve - I'm not
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 4:10pm.What's scary to me, when I bother thinking about it, is the vast number of people with various Martial Arts training. There's no way to know when a person's "carrying" that skill, and while I don't believe there would ever be a chop-socky brawl erupting in downtown Oly (much as I'm sure there's no reason to believe that Hails of Bullets will become commonplace) I'm more concerned that an angry person might break my wrist or pull my arm out of it's socket rather than someone shooting at me.
OCing?
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 6:12pm.Umm
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 6:16pm.The SCA not holding meetings right now?
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
SCA?
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 8:16pm.This unblunt enough?
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:33pm."It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
No. Much Worse.
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 11:39am.I grew up in Tacoma...
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:21pm....and hung out in the Hilltop neighborhood alot and never felt at risk.
"Players & gangstas" pretty much stay in their own and rarely "f" with folks (at least in my limited experience as a skinny Caucasian in spandex, biking around).
On a side note Keith, I find your posts to be rambling and of limited appeal, and I definitely dislike your tone in the above post. Please keep these personal negative comments to yourself.
nt
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:41pm.nt
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:56pm.Sorry
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:58pm.What did I point out?
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:32pm.4th and 5th Generation...
Submitted by Keith Hufnagel on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:57pm.Isn't this were someone threatens to walk around town
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 6:31pm.in a speedo to make some kind of point about what's socially appropriate or not? I'm pretty darned confused.
Are you volunteering?
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 6:37pm."It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
The people I've socialized
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:01am.Other than possibly Compensation, OC'ing has nothing to do with body image.
Hold on there buddy
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 10:59am.I know it's legal to open carry. But if open carrying was socially acceptable in Olympia, would S6 be trying so hard to normalize it? I'd say it's socially acceptable to own guns in Olympia, but I don't think we're quite there yet when it comes to strapping one on for a walk to Bayview or around Lakefair. Not sayin' it's good or bad...just is.
Taxpayers?
Oh....gawd....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:21pm.Another bad visual....
I was almost getting to the point of being OK with you blowing smoke up Norm's skirt
I see that, I think
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 6:46am.Issues?
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:08am.Care to elaborate?
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
nope
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 7:21pm.Honest
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 7:26pm.If somewhat lacking in crucial details.
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
I would say....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:23pm.HA!
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 5:34pm.:-)
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 7:19pm.No Corvette but I once owned a 1959 Chevy Apache stepside longbed with wrap around rear window...
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." --Mark Twain
Since seeing something
Submitted by ctqwn on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 8:14pm.Since seeing something like that is about as rare as seeing a bearded woman, it would certainly get my attention. The first thing I would say (to myself, of course) is, I'm sure not going to fuck w/ that guy. The second thing I'd say would be, I sure hope nobody else does, either.
Personally, I'm in the category of those who prefer to keep what they've got to themselves unless they need to use it. But, I'm not a guy, and I'm kind of a smallish to medium sized person, so it wouldn't be that difficult for someone to disarm me, if they were so inclined.